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Subject:      Re: Bob Dylan In Concert (Capricorn Records, CR-2025)...
From:         rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Date:         1995/04/29
Newsgroups:   rec.music.dylan

Todd Ellenberg (ellenber@servax.fiu.edu) wrote:
: In article <0098F1C0.54D85BE0.13@ula.cam.ac.uk>, rcj@ula.cam.ac.uk wrote:
: > Bob Dylan  In Concert [12 April - 26 October 1963] ([NB not:
: > In Concert (Starlife, ST 3611)], Insert and spine title: Bob
: > Dylan In  Concert, CD  title: In Concert, Capricorn Records,
: > CR-2025, 1994, Matrix: CR-2025) has met with some discussion
: > As this  CD uses the cover of the unreleased 1963 live album
: > planned by Columbia: Bob Dylan In Concert (Col. CL-2302, CS-
: > 9102) [062]  you might  expect it  to be a CD of that album.
: > Especially as it uses those numbers on the insert and on the
: > spine. It is not!
: > Do people  just accept  this kind  of fraud  as  natural  in
: > dealing with bootlegs?

: It's an excellent CD.  And the music included on it was originally taped by
: Columbia for a possible live album (although I'm not sure if they
: originally intended the Town Hall for actual release -- which is most of
: this CD -- or the Carnegie Hall concert).
: Todd

The CD is worth having. But many people are ill informed enough to think
it IS a CD of the tracks from the unreleased album. It is not. That was
my main point. 

The unreleased album has been available on CD for years:

Talking Too Much / Bob Dylan [12 April - 26 October] 
World Production Of Compact Music, WPOCM 0888 D 003-2, 1988
Matrix: Made by Koch 032.033.000.032.8
[= vinyl  boot LP:  Are You Now or Have You Ever Been (TAKRL 1952
[1974])]

1.  Last Thoughts On Woody Guthrie (8:08) [13] [A1] *
2.  Lay Down Your Weary Tune (4:57) [1] [A2]
3.  Dusty Old Fairgrounds (5:16) [10] [A3]
4.  John Brown  [incorrectly listed  on the insert and the CD as:
Ballad Of Hollies Brown] (5:12) [12] [A4]
5.  When The Ship Comes In (3:37) [2] [B1]
6.  Who Killed Davey Moore? (3:15) [3] [B2]
7.  Percy's Song (9:00) [5] [B3]
8.  New Orleans Rag [Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag] (3:24) [4] [B4]
9.  Seven Curses (4:10) [6] [B5]

(1, 3-4,  8)  Town Hall,  New York City, New York, 12 April 1963.
[041] [062]  Track 1  released  on  the  Bootleg  Series  (1991).
Track  8: cf T-109.
(2, 5-7,  9)  Carnegie Hall,  New York City, New York, 26 October
1963. [061] [062] Track 6: released on the Bootleg Series (1991).

This CD  corresponds to the unreleased 1963 live album planned by
Columbia: Bob  Dylan In Concert (Col. CL-2302, CS-9102). The boot
is taken from the acetate produced for that project.

This CD  provides 4  of the 14 tracks from the Town Hall concert.
Six further  Town Hall  concert tracks  are available on Acoustic
Set N.Y.C.  [T-109]. Twelve  of the  Town Hall concert tracks are
available on Bob Dylan in Concert []. 

Dylan's parents attended the Carnegie Hall concert.


Subject: Re: YELLOW CAT RELEASES From: "Mr. Brian Magid" Date: 1995/05/03 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >In article <199505011542.AAA22874@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp>, >=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCMkNGIyEhQDU/TRsoQg==?= wrote: > > >> I got 2 boots today: Bob Dylan & The Grateful Dead "FOXBORO" [Yelow Cat: >> YC 040] and "LIVE AT THE WAREHOUSE" [Yellow Cat: 038/39]. Both are Ex >> quality. The label says these CD's were "MADE IN ISRAEL". >> There is a list of Yellow Cat releases inside the sleeve. I found a >coupl >> e >> of interesting things there: >> [YC 034] Bob Dylan & The Grateful Dead "SAN RAFAEL REHEARSALS Vol.3" >> [YC 036/37] Various Artists "BOBFEST REHEARSALS" >> According to the #'s of these CD's, they must have been released, but >> I have not yet seen any copy in Tokyo. > >I picked up Bob Dylan & The Grateful Dead "SAN RAFAEL REHEARSALS Vol.1" and >"Vol.2" a few weeks ago in Bloomington, IN. The sound quality is okay, but >they are definitely rehearsals (a lot of random, i.e., not interesting line >substitutions or omissions by Dylan; stops and starts; missing instruments >or vocals; etc.). I guess depending on your opinion of the Dylan and the >Dead CD, these are either worthwhile additions or more worthless material. > > Personally, I think they lack a certain amount of energy; the music is >occasionally quite good, but Dylan seems pretty uninterested the whole time >and the stop and start nature of the CD makes it tough to listen to in its >entirety. They do cover "Boy in the Bubble" and "Rolling in my Sweet >Baby's Arms", both of which are highlights. > >Other opinions? > >Mike Richardson >mdr5@cornell.edu > >Mike, I have yet to hear (or get) the Yellow Cat San Rafael rehearsals, but the material was previously released on a 3CD set on Silver rarities called "The French Girl." Quality was very good, albeit a little hissy. Pretty cool to hear Dylan do "Walkin' Down the Line" and some other "oldies" of that nature. Anybody know if the Yellow Cat's cover all the material that was on "TFG" (if I recall correctly, "TFG" discs ran about 60 minutes, so could not all fit on 2 CDs. Perhaps there is a 3rd volume on Yellow Cat?) Ciao Brian
Subject: Yellow Cat Releases REVISITED From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCMkNGIyEhQDU/TRsoQg==?= Date: 1995/05/06 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan A few days ago, I wrote: > There is a list of Yellow Cat releases inside the sleeve. I found a cou ple > of interesting things there: > [YC 034] Bob Dylan & The Grateful Dead "SAN RAFAEL REHEARSALS Vol.3" > [YC 036/37] Various Artists "BOBFEST REHEARSALS" > According to the #'s of these CD's, they must have been released, but > I have not yet seen any copy in Tokyo. My posting has collected a lot of questions. I am going to tell you all I know . 1. THE CONTENTS OF "SAN RAFAEL REHEARSALS" CD's********** BOB DYLAN and THE GRATEFUL DEAD "San Rafael Rehearsals Vol.1 March-April 1987" [Yellow Cat: YC032] Times Masterpiece Man Of Peace I'll Be Your Baby Ballad Of Ira Hayes I Want You Thin Man Memphis Blues Again Dead Man Queen Jane Boy In The Bubble French Girl In The Summertime Man Of Peace Union Sundown BOB DYLAN and THE GRATEFUL DEAD "San Rafael Rehearsals Vol.2 March-April 1987" [Yellow Cat: 033] Baby Blue If Not For You Joey Slow Train Tomorrow Is A Long Time Gotta Serve Gonna Change My Way Maggie Chimes All I Really John Brown Heart Of Mine Rollin' In My Sweet Baby's Arms [sound] 7 (out of 10) good (not superb) [performance] 3 poor (Rehearsals!!) [recommendation] 5 I have only Vol.1 & Vol.2. Of course, the 3 CD-set release "The French Girl" has much more songs. But "Vol.3" [YC 034] will fill the gap, if it is released, I guess. I have not yet seen "Vol.3". The sound quality is slightly different. the YC releases has less hiss. "The French Girl" CD has a few dropouts on 'The French Girl', but "Vol.1" does not have any. The sound sometimes flutters on "Vol.1" and "Vol.2", but not on "The French Girl" CD. (I have no idea how to describe this kind of things in English) 2. SAN RAFAEL REHEARSALS TAPE ******************** "TANGLED UP IN TAPES" (G. Dundas) says Dylan & The Rehearsals took place in March and April 1987, but "THE DEADBASE 8" says they took place 'over several days in May'. These 2 books books refer to 'Pledgeing My Time' and 'Senor', none of which has not yet appeared on bootlegs. My tape has only a few seconds of 'Pledging' but NO 'Senor'. Does anybody have complete versions of these songs? 3. ONE MORE DYLAN & THE DEAD *************** A bootleg wholesaler in Japan says we can expect the 2 CD set album that has the entire October 17, 94 MSG show. 4. MY OPINION ABOUT DYLAN & THE DEAD 1987 ********** First of all, I am a Boboholics and, at the same time, Deadhead. The best joint adventure ever. I have to admit that some songs were nothing more than the disaster ('Man Of Piece' on July 4, 'Queen Jane' on July 10, 'Tambourine Man' on July 26), but I am sure there have been no better versions of 'Rainy Day Women' on July 19, 'Judas Priest' on July 19, and many others. They should have kept on touring together some more months. If so, they might have been much better. 5. BOBFEST REHEARSALS ******************** Though I have not yet seen this bootleg album, we can hear the glimpse of the rehearsals on the Beatles' bootleg "To Be Expected" [Strawberry Records: SAMPLER001]. This album has only a part of 'If Not For You' sung by George Harrison & the house band. I guess no Dylan on it. The catalog of Yellow Cat releases has Various Artists "Bobfest Rehearsals" [YC:036/37]. This album would be 2 CD set. Not only Harrison but Dylan, Clapton, Young, Petty and many others would be on it. 6. WHAT ELSE DOES DYLAN FAN LISTEN TO? ***************** Beatles, Grateful Dead, SMAP, King Crimson, Rolling Stones, The Band, Neil Young, Brecker Brothers, The Who, Bill Evans (pianist), Renaissance, Pink Floyd, Guns N'Roses, Black Crowes, Led Zeppelin, and so on. from MASATO KATO - Boboholics/Deadhead in Japan
Subject: NEW CD's From: "Mr. Brian Magid" Date: 1995/05/08 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan For those interested in live/studio CD's: I came across the following CDs at a show this weekend, with my thoughts on each: DEEP BLUE SEA 11/16/80 re-issue of "Gotta Serve Somebody" and "Keep in Touch w/the AntiChrist", but much improved sound from tape source, not vinyl. Recommended LIKE A ROLLING STONE 6 songs Ft. Collins '76 (from "Hard Rain" TV show) and 10 songs from 4-22-76 Clearwater, Fla. (video??). Apparently, the Ft. Collins material completes the broadcast (rest is on the "Hard Rain" CD) and is excellent quality. Clearwater material excellent, IMO. Recommended WILD CATHEDRAL EVENING 10/10/87 Birmingham UK 14-track, 68 minute entire show (according to Krogsgaard, at least) good quality show w/Petty. Rare outing for "Pledging My Time." Strangely packaged "Limited edition" numbered CD of 500 copies (individually stamped) w/CD inside plain white cardboard sleeve w/paper paste-on cover. Pig logo stamp on it also. I & I 2CD no venue info, no date. Looked strangely like "Fifth Time Around" UK 2/12/93 and sure enough, it was. Different tape source but not as good sound as "Fifth...". Beware, as it says LIVE IN USA 1993 on CD. NOT RECOMMENDED, unless you can't get "Fifth Time Around" SONGS THAT MADE HIM FAMOUS Santa Monica '65 plus Weisner/Faier radio shows. Sound leaves a lot to be desired, but still enjoyable to hear another acoustic '65 show that's listenable. Radio shows are scratchy and sound like they are off vinyl, but not bad if you don't have 'em. Recommended Happy hunting - Brian Brian
Subject: Re: Help With Dylan Boots From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson) Date: 1995/06/08 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >I just got back from my favorite local CD store(and >importer). They had a new shipment of Dylan... > What's good, what's not, what's rare? All these albums that you mention, yes, I know them, they're quite good, I had to rearrange their order to put them best to worst... EDLISian order, watch the posters squeal in horror at our choices! ;-) All are good, all worth buying, no obvious lemons. Rare? The rarest amongst this lot are: Real Live Outtakes 1984 & Live At The Warehouse. EDLIS is interested to chat with anyone who buys either of these. > 5. Finjan Club 7/2/62 Jack Nissenson, an early admirer of Dylan had the foresight to record this performance at the Finjan Club, Montreal, in July 1962. Anyone know where he is now? A decent copy of the Finjan Club tape, complete on CD. This one is strikingly better then other discs of the same material. [T-144/145, T-103, T-168/169, T-170, T-322] Essential to the smallest Dylan collection. > 12. The Witmark Years 1962-1964 Also compare The Witmark Demos and Through A Bullet Of Light... At least one of these three is essential to the smallest Dylan collection. > 9. Freewheelin' Bob Dylan Outtakes All of these tracks would appear to come from six sessions [017.1], [019], [023], [027], [029] and [032]. Precise attributions are not easy to ascertain. The listings on the inserts are inaccurate. Also the two listings of the tracks on the inserts have tiny unimportant differences between each other in some small details. The listing and attributions of dates made by Phill Townsend in Issue 3, February 1994 of The Famous Etiquette Book are unreliable. As he writes, "I've made an attempt at breaking the tracks down to their probable sessions (aka Kroggsgard [sic, for Krogsgaard]), but this isn't a great forte of mine so if anyone out there can confirm or correct my deductions it would be greatly appreciated." The specific detail of which tracks he misses out altogether and which he attributes to incorrect dates need not be set out here, suffice it to say his noble attempt seems to have met with disaster under pressure of meeting publication deadlines... Sally Girl (14) is listed by both Krogsgaard and Vigotone as originating from the October 1962 [027] session. However, on the recording the song is introduced as "70086 take 4". According to Krogsgaard the sessions occurring on 24 and 25 April 1962 [019] includes catalogue numbers Co. 70100-3, Co. 70100-4, Co. 70101-1, and Co. 70101-2. The next earlier catalogue numbers listed by Krogsgaard are Co. 68743-2 and Co. 68745-3 on 22 November 1961 [011]. Further Freewheelin' outtakes not included here or on vinyl (but circulating on tape when this CD came out) from 6 December 1962 [032] are: four takes of Hero Blues (Co. 77020-1, Co. 77020-2, Co. 77020-3 [fragment], Co. 77020-4) and four more takes of I Shall Be Free (Co. 77023-1, Co. 77023-3, Co. 77023-4 [fragment], Co. 77023-5). Some of these appear on the CD: 7 Years Of Bad Luck [T-311]. csmsaxs@mvs.oac.ucla.edu (Arnie Stodolsky): A great sounding CD. The studio tracks are all excellent and (haven't A-B'ed them yet with other boots) are better than anything else I've heard. The acetates are very good but sound like acetates, i.e. surface noise. The artwork is excellent too. The front piece is a picture of Dylan and Suze Rotolo, arm in arm with Dylan pointing off to the right. This is an alternate picture from the Freewheelin' album shooting. No one seems to have seen this one before. [Is it not from Gray's Art Of Bob Dylan? Is this in the FUQ Steve?] The back piece has a studio session picture of Dylan and John Hammond, not from the Freewheelin' sessions though, but from the first album sessions. What else can I say, if you like this era, this is the best that's out on CD that I'm aware of. This will be a classic boot, up there with Manchester Prayer [T-120]. Unless you already have this material in excellent sound (and I would still give this an audition) don't pass it up, I don't think it will be around long." > 2. 7 Years of Bad Luck- Studio Outtakes Only tracks 2 and 9 were previously available on CD, namely: Odds & Ends [T-231] and track 2 on The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan Outtakes [T-304]. csmsaxs@mvs.oac.ucla.edu (Arnie Stodolsky): "Another great compilation of studio outtakes, a live performance, and a better sounding Denver hotel. Add to that a terrific packaging and you have an example of what could be Bootleg Series Volume 4. The color cover has Dylan about to alight onto that famous Triumph; the back has a color photograph of him with acoustic guitar in front of a microphone (can't place this picture [FUQ Steve?]). Inside has two black & white photographs from '62 & '69 sessions as bookends to the setlists with their notes including the CO numbers (when available). The CD itself it silk screened with a picture of Dylan, thumbs hooked in pockets, striped shirt, circa 1962. Behind the CD is another color picture, Dylan with sunglasses, guitar, harmonica holder and dangling cigarette. Back cover, the track listings. The sound quality, overall is excellent, which it should be given the sources of studio outtakes. The Denver hotel tracks are better than the circulating tape that I have. The five takes of I Shall Be Free, (my favorite Dylan 'nonsense' song) kind of destroys the myth of Dylan walking into a studio and doing an album of songs in a single session with a single take of each song. If he put that much effort into a throw-away, one wonders about the other songs on Freewheelin'. While the Freewheelin' tracks were known (see earlier posting to rec.music.dylan this year), the May/June 1969 Nashville studio session was unknown (and uncirculating within my trading circle). The same goes for the Town Hall song which doesn't appear on any list that I have. [Available on CD Odds & Ends [T-231], but for less than a year when this CD came out.] In summary, a lot of new and unknown material, not available on any other source that I know of (with the exception of Whatcha Gonna Do, which is on the Bob Dylan Freewheelin Outtakes CD), excellent sound quality (Denver hotel is OK) and superior packaging. The perfect companion to the Bob Dylan Freewheelin Outtakes CD. I will be looking for future releases from Spank Records." The Freewheelin' tracks (1-8) include more of John Hammond's voice than is the norm on other CDs... "Don't tell me that's all?" "Yeah, that's all," after Oxford Town (3). "Alright, let, let, let's get it right, right?" and other dialogue before I Shall Be Free (4)... The Denver hotel tracks (11-13) are recorded at 1 7/8 rather than 3 3/4 in order to conserve tape, but of course the sound quality suffered. The sound quality is notably below the general standard of the disc as a whole. Having said that the source tape has been 'no-noised' making it less hissy and trebly than some of the circulating tapes. The Nashville tracks (14-18) are of course only a part of the circulating Nashville tape. Honey, Just Allow Me One More Chance (18) opens with some interesting "I'm a goin' fishin', you're a goin' fishin' I'm a goin' fishin' too" oddness. Poor boy has too many lyrics to remember ;-). Fishing Blues by the Holy Modal Rounders, yes? This CD may be a very odd compilation of songs and dates, but it works rather well, somewhat unexpectedly. Oxford Town (3) finds it's way onto Hammersmith Highlights [T-293], unmarked in the listings there! > 10. Before the Flood and After the Fire A wonderful CD, highly recommended, but why oh why did the gentlemen at Luna Records not follow the lead of Yellow Dog Records people who produced Cynthia Gooding's WBAI-FM programme on the CD Folksingers Choice [T-200] with the songs and each piece of conversation given individual track numbers so a CD player can be programmed to play it as is, just songs, or just conversation?!? Nevertheless this is a fine authentic representative of an early radio programme with Bob Dylan. The sound is good for the music, but the voices chatting are not loud enough and are sometimes indistinct... The Studs Terkel radio programme (1-7) is available on A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall [T-100] with the conversation removed and a fake audience mixed in! Two songs from the Billy Faier Show (9-10) are used as filler, but this programme is available complete on Paranoid Blues [T-106]. > 13. The Wild Mercury Music-Outtakes from BIABH, highway > 61, and Blonde on Blonde breazeal@ukcc.uky.edu (Dan Breazeale): "Though most of this material has circulated in various forms for years, it is very welcome to have all of these studio tracks collected on a single, well-engineered disc. Everyone who has worn out at least one vinyl copy of Blonde On Blonde (1966) should obtain a copy of this Spank CD. The packaging is quite nice, with a colour cover photograph of Dylan circa 1965/66, dressed entirely in black and standing up, holding an abstract cross, against a white background (obviously from the same photo session as the photo on the CD). The back of the sleeve has a black and white photograph of Dylan outdoors in a winter landscape (there is snow on the ground), wearing what looks to be his Blonde On Blonde scarf, eating with a fork from what looks like a bowl of gruel while talking to a woman with her back to the camera. The back of the CD features a small black and white picture of Dylan in the studio with a Fender guitar and wearing dark glasses. The area of the case behind where the CD goes is also decorated, with a reproduction of what looks like the picture of Dylan from "Rock Dreams." Finally, the disc itself is embossed with a blue picture of a laughing (!) Bob Dylan singing into a suspended studio microphone. [SP 105 631] Full information is provided regarding the date and personnel of each track. [Not always correctly, though.] There is, however, no listing of running time for either the individual tracks or the entire disc. The overall sound quality is very high. Only She's Your Lover Now (16), which is obviously taken from an acetate and mixed at a much lower level than the rest of the disc, is an exception." howells@netcom.com (John Howells): "Like the other Spank release 7 Years Of Bad Luck [T-311], this is an excellent well packaged disc. It brings together some of the rarer material from 1965 and 1966, those years when Dylan was going for that "thin wild mercury sound". They decided to use the rarer take of "If You Gotta Go, Go Now" that was released as a single in France and Belgium in 1967 instead of the already officially available version that appears on the Bootleg Series (1991). Also, for the first time, the other fast Freeze Out (15) appears, although I believe the date attribution has been mixed up with that of She's Your Lover Now (16) appearing on the same disc as the usual one. Incidentally, why they chose to include the same version (12) that already appears on the Bootleg Series is beyond me. Some other rarities appear, such as a stereo version of the alternate From A Buick 6 (4). For years many claimed that the alternate version appeared only on the mono release, but now we know this to be false. The beginning has a slight buzz, but it's not too annoying. Also of interest is the mistaken single version of Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (10), which they used instead of the other take that appears on Highway 61 Revisited Again [T-174] because I've been looking for years for a decent sounding version of this take. It appears on the seminal vinyl boot Stealin' (USA, 1969), but that always had a tinny sound. The instrumental version of I'll Keep It With Mine (8) is in stereo, but it also has surface crackles indicating that it comes from an acetate. It sounds very worked out and could have made a very good record if it had been finished. I wonder why Dylan had so much trouble getting this one done? He obviously thought a great deal about the song, having tried it in at least four different settings. (Cf I'll Keep It With Mine [F/035] [14/070] on Through A Bullet Of Light [T-378] or The Witmark Demos [T-312].) Sound quality for all of these tracks is as good as any I've ever heard and the selections are well thought out, but I have to wonder about the accuracy of the attributed dates and personnel. For instance, Paul Griffin is credited with celeste and piano on Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (10) and Al Kooper with organ. Well, there's no organ on this song at all. Presumably Kooper is on celeste instead of the usual organ. Also, Dylan isn't rightly credited with playing piano on Freeze Out (3) (the well known take) and She's Your Lover Now (12, 16) (both versions). Also, the tracks are scattered throughout instead of in the more logical chronological order, but that's what program buttons are for I guess." ullsperg@mendel.berkeley.edu (Chris J. Ullsperger): "What a strange twist of fate. Two nights ago I transferred to cassette a reel which once belonged to A.J. Weberman (at least 17 years old according to my source). The title of the reel was "singles" and "outs" and it contained virtually every track on this CD that hasn't seen CD release before except for the Keep It With Mine instrumental (8) and the stereo From a Buick 6 (4) (the reels I have are all mono)." If You Gotta Go, Go Now (3) is the same take as the single version: "It's just that I ain't got no watch," but in a different mix. Visions of Johanna (3) is the "he examines the nightingale's code, still left on the fish truck that loads" version. Visions of Johanna (15) is the "he examines the nightingale's code, still written on the fish truck that loads" version. From A Buick 6 (4) is the famous alternate version opening with harmonica, released on the Japanese version of Highway 61 Revisited CBS/Sony 25 AP273, on some of the mono CL-2389 and on a small batch of stereo CS-9189 (the pressing has a "-1" at the end of the matrix number, stamped in the vinyl trailoff). "I got graveyard women, you know they keep the kids..." Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (10) has the "'um on don't say he will haunt you..." ending [1/104]. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (14) is the fragment [1/116]. Just A Little Glass Of Water was the working title for She's Your Lover Now (12 and 16) on the one sided aluminium acetate Columbia Reference Recordings, so it is appropriate to use it here. It is a reference to Dylan before the song gurgling with water presumably to clear his voice. Phill Townsend in Issue 8, July 1994 of The Famous Etiquette Book [p. 3] reports tracks 12 and 16 as Sitting On A Barbed Wire Fence... The Lonesome Sparrow Sings [T-349] is very similar, omitting the instrumentals: Number One (11) [available on T-115, T- 152] and [I'll] Keep It With Mine (8), the released single Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (10) [available on T- 115, T-152] and The Bootleg Series (1991)' She's Your Lover Now (12) [available on T-115, T-152]. Bob Dylan Live With The Band, Al Kooper And Mike Bloomfield [T-115] included seven of the tracks on this CD in 1988. Variant: Matrix: SP-105. The CD itself does not have the picture of Dylan but is half silver half blue with printed letters. The typography of the cover and inserts is somewhat different, generally plainer. Some would prefer T-349. Cf T-115, T-116, T-152, T-159. > 11. Peco's Blues "Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid Outtakes". There are many film photographs and on the back insert a photograph of the real "Billy The Kid, New Mexico. 1880". The four page folded front insert includes a track listing with detailed listings of session musicians. Fans of the film will find it marvellous. Much of what circulates on tape is here, including Bob Dylan's comment, "O.K. we'll do it without vocals. This is the last time I work for anybody on a film though". > 1. The Complete Supper Club Recordings- Box Probably the best choice for those interested in the Supper Club concerts. The quality and source tapes are the same as First Supper [T-327] and Second Supper [T-328], Rockdreams packages it all that wee bit better, including three pages of liner notes. Cf T-327, T-328, T-356. > 4. Rolling Thunder Revue-5/3/76 2CD The recording quality of Dylan's duets with Baez seem to be the only weak point of this CD. Many of the Rolling Thunder Revue 1975 songs can be found on these two discs. The Boston Music Hall concert is almost complete, missing only I Shall Be Released [11]. The ten Maple Leaf Gardens songs nicely supplement that concert, including a Toronto version of I Shall Be Released. The cover photograph is largely of Bob Dylan's nose in front of a reel to reel tape recorder. The insert is an eighteen page booklet of 1975 tour black and white photographs with text. (This disc is also found with a different cover [different photograph of Dylan, beads, microphone, holding guitar], as a promotional copy issued as thirty numbered copies, numbered on a sticker.) > 8. Dignity- Studio rehearsals and outtakes Nice to see Bob's albums produced in the Czech Republic getting good distribution. What do OSA and TSP stand for? Various rare outtakes, rehearsals & live... Fourteen of these eighteen tracks were widely available on CD when this CD came out, i.e 78%... But if you want an overview style CD for a small collection. James Moore's Got Love If You Want It is described as "This Slim Harpo cover". > 7. Dylan/Dead San Rafael Rehearsals Vol. 2 Only Volume 2? Why does no collector have Volume 3? Yellow Cat Records, YC 034. The French Girl (12) - has no sound drop outs, though there is tape fluctuation. The sound quality is good, with less hiss than the CD The French Girl [T-291]. > 14. Outside the Empire What is general opinion on this one? What does Monada stand for? Includes a listing of Wanted Man CD titles (WMM 001-060) and a listing of Silver Rarities CD titles. "Distributed worldwide except Germany by: Discolux Entertainment S.A.R.L. / 252, Avenue Gaston Diderich / L-1420 Luxembourg / Fax: (352) 44 66 36". > 6. Real Live Outtakes 1984 EDLIS is interested in opinions of this one, reserving judgement and comparisons for the minute. Does anyone own it? Warehouse > 3. Live At the Wharehouse- Rolling Thunder, New Orleans, > 2CD, 5/3/76 and 9/10/75 EDLIS is interested in opinions of this one, reserving judgement and comparisons for the minute. Does anyone own it? Cf T-246, T-306, T-335, T-336; T-320. It sounds like a fine shop. If each shipment (weekly?) contains about 14 new to that shop Dylan titles it is well worth regular visits. That is about the right level for a shop which wants to secure the bulk of your purchasing power. Craig
Subject: Boots for sale From: Matthew Zuckerman Date: 1995/09/18 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan CDs FOR SALE - I'm selling single copies of the following CDs: - ***Bob Dylan Meets George Harrison & Johnny Cash*** 7 songs with Harrison in 1970, 9 with Cash in 1969. Very good sound. (Living Legend)...$22 (15 pounds) - ***Tell It Like It Is*** 13 songs from the Nov 11, 1975 Connetticut show. Excellent line recording, one of the best Rolling Thunder Revue CDs. (Space)...$22 (15 pounds) - ***I Was Young When I Left Home (2CD)*** 2CD set of complete Toronto Oct 12, 1978 show. Sound is ok, tape speed slightly fast. (Golden Stars) ...$40 (25 pounds) - ***Go Ahead With a Dead*** 10 songs from November 16, 1980 Warfield show with special guest Jerry Garcia. Line recording, good sound. (Raid Masters)...$22 (15 pounds) - ***True Stories*** 14 songs from July 25, 1981 Avignon concert. Line recording, very good sound and a great performance. (Front Row) ...$22 (15 pounds) - ***The Jokerman Has Just Left the Stadium (2CD)*** Complete Munich June 3 1984 concert with 7 songs from the wonderful Barcelona 1984 show. Very good sound. (Sound Bites)...$40 (25 pounds) - ***Flashing For The Refugees*** Complete Oct 8, 1987 show from Belgium with Petty & the Heartbreakers. Good sound. Desolation Row as the opening song! (Speedhall) ...$22 (15 pounds) - ***Just Like Zimmerman (2CD)*** Complete Hammersmith Feb 9, 1993 show in good sound, + 2 bonus tracks from Tokyo Feb 20, 1994 in excellent sound. (Rag) ...$40 (25 pounds) - ***Shadows in the Sounds (2CD)*** Complete Utrecht Feb 16, 1993 show in good sound w/ 4 bonus tracks from Denver July 26, 1986 w/ Petty + the Heartbreakers. (Rotation)...$40 (25 pounds) - ***Romantic Facts of Musketeers (2CD)*** Complete Brixton March 31, 1995 show in very good sound, + 5 bonus songs from March 29th. Duets w/ Elvis Costello & Chrissie Hynde ...$40 (25 pounds) - ***With One Hand Waving Free (2CD)*** Complete Utrecht March 20, 1995 show in very good sound, + 8 bonus songs from Belgium, March 23. ...$40 (25 pounds) - ***Odds & Ends*** various outtakes from 1962-84 in excellent sound. Including original "Jack of Hearts", "Yonder Somes Sin" and 17 others. (Sick Cat) ...$22 (15 pounds) - Only single copies are available of all of these titles, so please don't send money until you've been notified that a copy has been reserved for you. - Postage: add $3 (2 pounds) postage per title if you don't need the jewel case or $5 (3 pounds) including jewel case. - Reservations by email: matthew.zuckerman@iac-online.com - Send to: Matthew Zuckerman 3-31-14-207 Ikebukuro Honcho Toshima-ku, Tokyo 170 Japan Phone/fax/modem: 81-3-3986-7468 - ***IMPORTANT!*** ***PLEASE SEND CASH ONLY*** bank charges in Japan are ridiculous for checks or money orders. Your CDs will be on their way to you as soon as I receive the money. Don't forget to say whether you want the jewel cases or not.
Subject: CDs From: Matthew Zuckerman Date: 1995/10/06 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan CDs FOR SALE - Single copies of the following CDs are available for sale: - ***Live In New York 1964*** Two-thirds of the great Halloween Night show. Line recording in wonderful sound. (Black Panther) ... $15 (10 pounds) - ***Bob Dylan and The Hawks Get Loud!*** 2CD set with the complete Colston Hall, Bristol concert, May 10th, 1966. It's an audience recording and sound is pretty poor, but it's history! (Cuttlefish Records)... $30 (20 pounds) - ***With The Band*** Electric half of the legendary Royal Albert Hall (really Manchester) "Judas" concert. Line recording in excellent sound. (Black Panther) ... $15 (10 pounds) - ***I Was Young When I Left Home (2CD)*** 2CD set of complete Toronto Oct 12, 1978 show. Sound is ok, tape speed slightly fast. (Golden Stars) Tremendous slowed-down version of Tangled Up in Blue. ...$40 (25 pounds) - ***Go Ahead With a Dead*** 10 songs from November 16, 1980 Warfield show with special guest Jerry Garcia. Line recording, good sound. (Raid Masters)...$22 (15 pounds) - ***The Critics Choice, Vol. 5+6*** 2CDs. Complete October 16, 1987, backed by Tom Petty + the Heartbreakers, with Roger McGuinn and Ron Wood. Also 14 songs from Oct 14, 15, 17. Good audience recording. (Wanted Man)... $30 (20 pounds) - ***Shadows in the Sounds (2CD)*** Complete Utrecht Feb 16, 1993 show in good sound w/ 4 bonus tracks from Denver July 26, 1986 w/ Petty + the Heartbreakers. (Rotation)...$40 (25 pounds) - Only single copies are available of all of these titles, so please don't send money until you've been notified that a copy has been reserved for you. - Postage: add $3 (2 pounds) postage per title if you don't need the jewel case or $5 (3 pounds) including jewel case. - Reservations by email: matthew.zuckerman@iac-online.com - Send to: Matthew Zuckerman 3-31-14-207 Ikebukuro Honcho Toshima-ku, Tokyo 170 Japan Phone/fax/modem: 81-3-3986-7468 - ***IMPORTANT!*** ***PLEASE SEND CASH ONLY*** bank charges in Japan are ridiculous for checks or money orders. Your CDs will be on their way to you as soon as I receive the money. Don't forget to say whether you want the jewel cases or not.
Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall Concert--10/26/63 From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson) Date: 1995/10/20 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York, 26 October 1963. [061] [062] Talking Too Much / Bob Dylan [12 April - 26 October 1963] Live in New York, 1963 World Production Of Compact Music, WPOCM 0888 D 003-2, 1988 Matrix: Made by Koch 032.033.000.032.8 [= vinyl boot LP: Are You Now or Have You Ever Been (TAKRL 1952 [1974])] 2. Lay Down Your Weary Tune (4:57) [1] [A2] 5. When The Ship Comes In (3:37) [2] [B1] 6. Who Killed Davey Moore? (3:15) [3] [B2] * 7. Percy's Song (9:00) [5] [B3] 9. Seven Curses (4:10) [6] [B5] (2, 5-7, 9) Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York, 26 October 1963. [061] [062] Track 6: released on the Bootleg Series (1991). The Carnegie Hall is incomplete, missing Talking John Birch Paranoid Blues [4], which was released on The Bootleg Series (1991). The circulating six track tape of the concert is itself an incomplete recording of the event, of course. This CD corresponds to the unreleased 1963 live album planned by Columbia: Bob Dylan In Concert (Col. CL-2302, CS-9102). The boot is taken from the acetate produced for that project. or Live In New York 1963 / Bob Dylan [12 April - 26 October 1963] Black Panther Records, BPCD 020, 1989 Matrix: TECVAL 01 BLP 9181 020 Cf Bob Dylan In Concert / Bob Dylan [12 April - 26 October 1963] [NB not: In Concert (Starlife, ST 3611)] Insert and spine title: Bob Dylan In Concert CD title: In Concert Capricorn Records, CR-2025, 1994 Matrix: CR-2025 (As this CD uses the cover of the unreleased 1963 live album planned by Columbia: Bob Dylan In Concert (Col. CL-2302, CS- 9102) [062] you might expect it to be a CD of that album. Especially as it uses those numbers -- Col. CL-2302 CS-9102- - on the insert and on the spine. It is not!) ===================================================================== Carnegie Hall Hootenanny, Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York, 22 September 1962 [025] Steve Mayer (smayer@well.com) wrote: : Anyone have a playlist for Dylan's first Carnegie Hall concert? : Anyone ever heard a tape? Bob Dylan's Dream : Historic Live Performances Vol. II / Bob Dylan [May 1962 - 27 May 1966] Disc and back insert title: Bob Dylan's Dream Vol. 2 Living Legend Records, LLR-CD012, 1988 Matrix: INTERPRESS LLRCD-012 41 MASTERED BY DADO AUSTRIA [derived from vinyl boot LPs: Bobby Dylan, Young Zimmerman, and Talkin New York] 13. Sally Gal [Sally Girl] (Woody Guthrie) (2:38) [1] 14. Highway 51 (Curtis Jones) (3:26) [2] (13-14) Carnegie Hall Hootenanny, Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York, 22 September 1962 [025] [incomplete] The Carnegie Hall Hootenanny (13-14) has only the first two numbers. Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues [3], Ballad Of Hollis Brown [4] and A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall [5] are omitted. Sandy Gant first put this tape in circulation.
Subject: Re: percy's song From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson) Date: 1995/11/08 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan : In the referenced article, daymen@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Damien Newton) writes: : >Does anyone know what album this one is on, I have a boot of it, and : >don't know where to find its original copy. If anyone could e-mail me : >the answer, it'd be appreciated. Hmmmm. Percy's Song is a good example of why guidance is needed when you first look at CD boots as a beginner. Many boots give you the Biograph version in poorer quality! One boot pretends to be a version of an unreleased album when it is not! Some boots had little point when they came out, some are now entirely superseded by later boots. And so on and on and on... C3K 38830 Biograph [October 1985 (r1961-1981)] [5 records on 3 CDs] The Witmark Years 1962-1964 / Bob Dylan [1962-1966] Capricorn Records, CR-2021, CR-2022, 1994 Matrix: CR-2021, CR-2022 41. Percy's Song (7:17) [36] Witmark & Sons Demos, New York City, New York, 1962-1964. [035] Percy's Song [36] and Eternal Circle [38] are not taken by everyone to be original Witmark Demos but they are included here. For example they are not taken to be original Witmark Demos by Clinton Heylin (p. 13 of his To Live Outside The Law : A Guide To Bob Dylan Bootlegs, Sale : Labour of Love, 1989). He does include I'll Keep It With Mine [F]. Also found on: Through A Bullet Of Light / Bob Dylan [1962-1964] Golom, 774554, [1994] Matrix: FIRE CD 2300, FIRE CD 2301 NB! NOT found on: The Witmark Demos / Bob Dylan [1962-1964] Spine and front insert title: The Witmark Demos Back insert title: The Witmark Demos 1962-1964 Disc title: Zimmerman's Eary Demo [sic, not "Early"] Off Beat Records, BD1, BD2, (XXCD 14), [1994] [Made in Japan] Matrix: BD1 55215X1, 80389M1 BD2 Talking Too Much / Bob Dylan [12 April - 26 October 1963] Live in New York, 1963 World Production Of Compact Music, WPOCM 0888 D 003-2, 1988 Matrix: Made by Koch 032.033.000.032.8 [= vinyl boot LP: Are You Now or Have You Ever Been (TAKRL 1952 [1974])] 7. Percy's Song (9:00) [5] [B3] Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York, 26 October 1963. [061] [062] Dylan's parents attended the Carnegie Hall concert. This CD corresponds to the unreleased 1963 live album planned by Columbia: Bob Dylan In Concert (Col. CL-2302, CS-9102). The boot is taken from the acetate produced for that project. cctr147@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Les Kokay): "The old vinyl boot -- Are You Now or Have You Ever Been? (His Gotham Ingress) (TAKRL 1952, 1974) -- is quite superior to the CDs. The CDs are poorer quality (quite noticable) and incomplete (bad starts and fades). So the vinyl is the better choice of bootleg. The vinyl was not made from a particularly low generation tape either, and the best quality is (once again) available on the circulating tape!" The reproduction of the cover for the unreleased album is found facing p. 168 in Paul Williams' Bob Dylan : performing artist : the early years 1960-1973 (Novato : Underwood-Miller, 1991) and has kindly been made at just the correct size for a photocopy to be made which would fit into a CD's plastic jewel case. It looks rather fetching with the Koch-Digitaldisc cover replaced by a photocopy of the original front cover complete with the old "Stereo 360 Sound" logo and other Columbia symbols. Given the weird and anachronistic choice of photograph for the Talking Too Much cover insert the need is great. The CD is in mono, of course... Also avialable on: Live In New York 1963 / Bob Dylan [12 April - 26 October 1963] Black Panther Records, BPCD 020, 1989 Matrix: TECVAL 01 BLP 9181 020 And also available on: Bob Dylan In Concert / Bob Dylan [12 April - 26 October 1963] [NB not: In Concert (Starlife, ST 3611)] Insert and spine title: Bob Dylan In Concert CD title: In Concert Capricorn Records, CR-2025, 1994 Matrix: CR-2025 As this CD uses the cover of the unreleased 1963 live album planned by Columbia: Bob Dylan In Concert (Col. CL-2302, CS-9102) [062] you might expect it to be a CD of that album. Especially as it uses those numbers -- Col. CL-2302 CS-9102-- on the insert and on the spine. It is not! Strip Tease / Bob Dylan [22 December 1961 - 15 June 1965] Condor 1965, 1989 Matrix: CONDOR 1965 T303 5316 <01> 16. Percy's Song [J] [3] * Columbia Studios, New York City, New York, 23 October 1963. [059] The Times They Are A-Changin' (1964) outtake, released on Biograph (1985). This CD boot consists mostly of tracks previously available on the old bootleg LPs Stealin' [S] (9 out of 14) (USA, 1969), GWW Sings The John Birch Society Blues [J] (7 out of 12) (USA, 1970) and Seems Like A Freeze Out [F] (2 out of 12) (TMQ 71008, 1971). The cover says "taken from the recorder tape", but in fact the sound is identical to those old boots (i.e. very muddy). Still, it has some excellent material which was not available in any other form on CD in 1989. Warning: like other Condor CD boots, the speed is off - a tad slow. The inside front insert photograph is taken from the vinyl boot LP: Tough Songs (USA 1979), complete with title and attribution. Tough Songs was a double LP reissue of Royal Albert Hall (USA 1971) and Now Your Mouth Cries Wolf. Royal Albert Hall (USA 1971) was a reissue of In 1966 There Was (UK 1970). Now Your Mouth Cries Wolf was a reissue of side one of Stealin' (USA 1969) and side two of Seems Like A Freeze Out (TMQ 71008, 1971). So the relevance is minimal... The source of this CD in earlier vinyl boots gives a clue about the title, "The bootleg records, those are outrageous. I mean, they have stuff you do in a phone booth. Like, nobody's around. If you're just sitting and strumming in a motel, you don't think anybody's there, you know... it's like the phone is tapped... and then it appears on a bootleg record. With a cover that's got a picture of you that was taken from underneath your bed and it's got a strip-tease type title and it cost $30. Amazing..." p. 16 Biograph (1985). What is a "strip-tease type title"? A title which teases you into thinking there is more to be found within than is actually there, a misleading come-on? Eight out of 19 tracks are available as legitimate releases in much much better sound quality, 42% of the CD. All the tracks are now available on other CDs. Twelve Curses / Bob Dylan [24 April 1963 - 1975] The Early Years, 02-CD-3337, 1990 Matrix: CDT-BERLIN 02-CD-3337 02 8. Percy's Song (2) (7:12) [?36] Columbia Studios, New York City, New York, 23 October 1963. [059] Witmark & Sons Demos, New York City 1962-1964. [035] The first eleven tracks of this CD correspond with the vinyl boot LP: The Times (Just Right Records, LPTAC 1000). The wording of the CD's back insert is very close to the wording on the back of the cover of the vinyl boot LP. John Birch Society Blues / Bob Dylan [22 December 1961 - 9 June 1964] Exit Records, [?1993] Total Running Time: 39:11 10. Percy's Song [3] * All tracks on this CD are available on other CDs. This CD boot consists solely of tracks previously available on the old vinyl bootleg LP: GWW Sings The John Birch Society Blues (USA 1970) [not: John Birch Society Blues (double album) (UK 1972)]. The order of songs is altogether different. There are also two more songs on the vinyl LP: Eternal Circle and I Was Young When I Left Home. At 40 minutes this is really just half a CD, such a short CD may be the style of Columbia or Sony but you would expect a higher standard from people who have no reason to want to harm Bob Dylan's career. It is sad to see random track selection rearing its ugly head on CD... In Isis # 53 (February/March 1994), p. 37, Phill Townsend includes "Studio Sessions Jan 1965" in his list of sources. As he does not give sources of specific songs in the column at that stage it is impossible to know what he means by this.
Subject: Applehouse CDs From: Peter Allen Date: 1996/02/24 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan markg@leland.stanford.edu (Mark Gonnerman) wrote: >J.McBride@BoM.GOV.AU wrote: > >:: On the topic of these Applehouse boots, does anyone know which >::concerts were labelled as >:: Mr tambourine Man Vol 4 (Live in USA 1988) >:: With the Grateful Dead Live Vol 1 >:: With the Grateful Dead Live Vol 2 >:: >:: All of these are excellent sound quality as well as excellent >::performance. > > >"Mr. Tambourine Man"< (Vol.4) [T-314] is the September 4, 1988 Lake >Compounce Festival Park, Bristol, Connecticut concert (complete except for >"To Ramona" and "Rank Strangers to Me"). See Krogsgaard 961. "With the Grateful Dead Live Vol 1" is 4 July 1987 at the Sullivan Stadium, Foxboro, Massachussetts. Add Slow Train and Joey from the official album "Dylan and the Dead" after track 9 to complete the concert. "With the Grateful Dead Live Vol 2" is 19 July 1987 at the Autzen Stadium, Eugene, Oregon. Regarding Applehouse releases without track definitions: the only one I know of is SW 70 "Bob Dylan Live" which is yet another version of the Manchester Free Trade Hall 1966 set. Peter. ----------------------------------- Peter Allen (pda@melbpc.org.au) Melbourne PC User Group, Australia
Subject: Mountains of Madrid/Baby Stop Crying From: MOE Date: 1996/04/12 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Rainman suggested picking up an entire '84 show instead of "MofM." Two '84 shows well worth it would be "Les Temps Changent" from Paris (I believe the date is July 1), an excellent audience recording (better quality than "From the Coast of Barcelona"), or "On the Streets of Rome," a soundboard which, although a little off-pitch, can be corrected a bit with a little of the EQ. The latter suffers a bit from an uneven mix which puts Mick Taylor's guitars in the background, but the vocals are right up front. Back to "MofMadrid" - I find this compilation "not bad at all" and a nice companion piece to either of the above. As for "From the Coast of Barcelona," I'd rank this well below the two recommended above in terms of sound quality. "Baby Stop Crying," reviewed in a recent DEEP BENEATH, (IMO) is the best quality '78 show yet to surface on CD. As Rainman says, they had to cut 20+ minutes to fit it onto one disk, which is a pity. He suggested the complete vinyl version as preferable, but for those of us without turntables........ Cheers - Moe
Subject: Re: "Serve Yourself" From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson) Date: 1996/04/12 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Ray Schweighardt (rainman@CYBERNEX.NET) wrote: : >Anybody have a sample of lyrics from Lennon's "Serve Yourself?" What album : >is the track on? I'd be interested in seeing how they compare... Thanks! : "Serve Yourself" has never been released. There are a number of Lennon demo Huh? Don't you get Beatles albums where you are? ;-) Artifacts III - The Definitive Collection Of Beatles Rarities 1969-1994 / The Beatles... 4 CDs BigBx 009, [1995] Disk 3 track 15 - News Of The Day - Lennon parody of Dylan track 22 - Serve Yourself - Lennon parody of Dylan 102 tracks on 4 CDs with a 24 page booklet. The booklet has two photographs of Dylan. Is it on The Lost Lennon Tapes? The Lost Lennon Tapes Volume 1 / John Lennon ; Also With Bob Dylan [May 1966] Disc and spine title: John Lennon - The Lost Lennon Tapes Vol. 1. Cover title: The Lost Lennon Tapes Volume 1 Living Legend Records, LLRCD 045, 1989 Matrix: CDT-BERLIN LLR CD 045 01 14. Eat The Document [dialogue with Bob Dylan] (7:52) 15. Lord, Take This Make Up Off Me (John Lennon) [Knockin' On Heaven's Door / Bob Dylan ; re-arranged by John Lennon] (2:20) 16. The News Of The Day (John Lennon) (4:25) (14) May 1966. Eat the Document, 8 February 1971. "But the real coup on this album is the soundtrack to the outtakes of John's appearance in Bob Dylan's Film "Eat The Document". John only appears in the finished film for a few seconds, but all of the dialogue between himself and Bob that was filmed is presented here. You won't here [sic] this stuff on the radio. Dylan is suppressing it and will not allow it to be aired. He probably doesn't like the part where you can hear him vomit. The two final tracks on the album are some of John's Bob Dylan parodies." Could anyone who owns either of these e-mail me please? Craig
Subject: Re: Need bootleg advice From: Jeff Date: 1996/05/16 Message-ID: Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan [More Headers] >Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:57:03 -0700 >From: John Howells >Subject: Re: Need bootleg advice > >00leonkey@bsuvc.bsu.edu wrote: >> >> I'm a longtime Dylan fan but have never bought Bob bootlegs. >> I'm looking for recommendations for the best Dylan and the Hawks >> '65-'66 material available on boot; the best Dylan and the >> Band '74 tour available, and the best early Rolling Thunder tour >> material available (I guess that's fall '75). There's so many >> boots out there it's hard to know where to start. Any recommendations >> appreciated. >> > >If you had to pick one of each of these, I'd try to find these: > >Guitars Kissing & the Contemporary Fix (Manchester 5/17/66) > >Love Songs for America (Boston 1/14/74) > >Get Ready! Bob's Staying Here With You Tonight (Boston 11/21/75) I also recommend the above as well as alternates: Before and After the Flood (Madison Square Garden, NYC 1/30/74) The Poet & the Players (Madison Square Garden, NYC 1/30/74) Tell it Like It Is (Waterbury CT 11/11/75) Flagging Down the Double E's (Toronto, 12/1/75) An additional warning about the excellent Get Ready! Bob's Staying Here With You Tonight is that some of these disks are rumored to have experienced CD rot. The bad batch are supposed to have an inner clear plastic ring of 5-6 millimeters where the hopefully still good batch have an inner clear plastic ring of 10-11 millimeters. EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
Subject: Re: What is this Dylan Album? (Joker albums, part 3) From: Man of Peace <101514.1767@COMPUSERVE.COM> Date: 1996/06/01 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POSTS CD reincarnations of Joker tracks: 1988: Bob Dylan Collection (2CD) (IMTRAT GmbH, Germany; imt 2 CD 200.013; one large and three small 1981 photographs (Bad Segeberg?) CD1: Track 1: It's All Over Now, Baby Blue Track 2: Cocaine Blues Track 3: New Orleans Rag Track 4: Hard Times In New York Town Track 5: Baby Let Me Follow You Down Track 6: Poor Lazarus Track 7: The Cough Song Track 9: California Track 10: If I Coul Dolt All Over (SIC) ("All Over You") Track 11: Candy Man Track 12: The Death Of Emmett Till Track 14: Farewell Angelina ("Farewell") CD2: Track 2: If You Gotta Go, Go Now ("Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window") Track 3: She Belongs To Me ("From A Buick 6") Track 4: Lady Down Your Weary ("Love Minus Zero/No Limit") Track 5: Stealin' Track 6: Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window ("Sitting On a Barbed Wire Fence") Track 7: Who You Really Are ("Backdoor Blues") Track 8: Dusty Old Fair Grounds ("Dusty Old Fairgrounds") Track 9: Baby Please Don't Go Track 10: From A Buick ("She Belongs To Me") Track 11: Wade In The Water Track 12: Love Minus Zero ("Lay Down Your Weary Tune") Track 13: That's All Right Mama Track 14: Man Of Constant Sorrow All other tracks (not listed) officially released Columbia versions 1989: Bob Dylan (LaserLight Digital 15 165; Delta Music GmbH, D-5020 Frechen 4; bar code: 4 006408 151654) with 1981 photograph (Bad Segeberg?) Track 2: It's All Over Now, Baby Blue Track 9: It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry Track 10: Candy Man Track 11: The Death Of Emmett Till Track 12: If You Gotta Go, Go Now All other tracks (not listed) officially released Columbia versions SUMMARY: All Joker (et. al.) albums were rather cheap and readily available in continental Europe in the mid-1970s and although I was quite disappointed that "Volume 1" did *not* contain "Farewell Angelina" but "Farewell", these albums influenced me a lot, because they were among the first to expose me to excerpts from all these unreleased tapes listed in the back of Scaduto's biography. Despite their many mistakes and inferior pressing quality, they provided hours and hours of enjoyment for me. Today they're basically obsolete; all tracks seem to be available in better quality elsewhere. But back in the 1970s, I learned songs like "All Over You" or "The Death of Emmett Till" from listening to these albums... For further info on these albums, check Clinton Heylin's 'The Great White Wonders -- A History of Rock Bootlegs" (London: Viking, 1994), pp. 158-159. - Man of Peace
Subject: Re: What are these CDs? From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson) Date: 1996/08/07 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Alan Fraser (100437.2552@CompuServe.COM) wrote: : These are identical to the first 3 CDs of a 4 CD set called : "Documents of Bob Dylan", also released by Magic Music. The : material comes from 1961 and 1962 and was recorded at the Gaslight : Club in New York and the Finjan Club in Montreal. I have the 4 : CDs, numbered 31001 to 31004, and I think their quality is very : good, so the ones you have should be the same. The version of "No Wellll, more precisely the material of the four CDs was placed on three CDs. It could have been placed on only two CDs, but three was better than four very short CDs... Rare Live Performances Of The Sixties : The History Series Vols 1-3 / Bob Dylan [6 September 1961 - 1962] 3 CD boxed set Magic Music, CD 31008, 31009, 31010 [?1991] Hamburg Made in E.E.C. [Switzerland] Telesonic Digip / Dureco Bar code: 4 011222 310828, 4 011222 310927, 4 011222 311023 Matrix: TELESONIC DIGIP 32009CD1, TELESONIC DIGIP 32009CD2, DURECO [01] 31004 [= Magic Music vinyl boot LPs: 11001, 11002, 11003, 11004] "Not for export except Italy, Made in E.E.C., Distributed by Magic Music, Orionweg 17, 2000 Hamburg 65". Sometimes available as three discs in a slipcase, sometimes as individual discs. The slipcase itself has its own catalogue number: 32009. Variant: GEMA in place of SUISA on all three discs. Each CD and the box they come in sport the same photograph of Bob Dylan on the front, but minimal additional packaging. Before 1992 this exact same material was often found on the following 4 CD set... Documents Of Bob Dylan / Bob Dylan [6 September 1961 - 1962] 4 CDs Magic Music, 31001, 31002, 31003, 31004, [?1990] Hamburg Dureco Made in Austria Printed in West Germany Matrix: DURECO [01] 31001, DURECO [01] 31002, DURECO [01] 31003, DURECO [01] 31004 [= Magic Music vinyl boot LPs: 11001, 11002, 11003, 11004] This 4 CD set can be found sold both individually and in a set. Each sports a different photograph of Bob on the front, but minimal additional packaging. Each disc is not really all that full - all of these songs could have been put on just two CDs (and in fact, most of it can be found on two other CD boots). The first two discs include the exact same material which is available on the more common Gaslight Tapes [T-104] CD in the same sound quality. The second two discs include all the material that is on the Bob Dylan - Montreal 1962 New York 1961 [T-103] CD, however Song To Woody (21) is included on these discs and the sound here is much better. (These discs are also found with the matrix numbers: MADE BY KOCH A32.066.031.001.2 @ 1, MADE BY KOCH A32.067.031.002.6 @ 1, MADE BY KOCH A32.068.031.003.0 @ 1, MADE BY KOCH A32.069.031.004.4 @ 1.) Gaslight Tapes / Bob Dylan [late 1962] Laser, 76025, [1987] MCPS Made in Korea Printed in W.-Germany Matrix: 76 025 1128 226 01 * [= the first two of the 3 vinyl boot LPs: Gaslight Tapes (3 LPs, Germany, 1985)] [The boot LP: Gaslight Tapes (Visions Thru A Window) (CBM 3814, USA, 1973) is not so closely related.] This is the first Dylan boot CD to be released! (Various pressings of this CD are found and precise variants in the minor details are not noted: [T-104a] is listed above. Matrix: 76025 MPO 01 @, Made in France, More than 60 minutes of live music from the early sixties, [T-104b]. Companion, 6187602, Made in Denmark, Matrix: DANDISC 6187602 CDMO1, [T-104c]. Same as T-104c with Laser details removed! [T-104d]. Another Companion reissue in 1993, 6188642, OSA, Monada, Hit Memories Collection, 17 Remarkable Recordings, Cover design: Artline, Hamburg, Bar code: 5 701861 886424, Matrix: GZ E21902 6188642.)
Subject: Re: Lonesome Sparrow Vs. Thin Mercury? From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson) Date: 1996/10/01 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Where's DrJibe when yuh need him? :-) Brian Wilcox (dbwilcox@UCONECT.NET) wrote: : What's the difference between these two discs? Which would you recommend? : (both?) Thanks Dave One of those irritating ones when some will feel they must buy both... EDLIS has recommended Thin Wild Mercury Music over The Lonesome Sparrow Sings for years now, but only by a whisker... Thin Wild Mercury Music / Bob Dylan [15 January 1965 - 27 January 1966] Spank Records, SP-105, 1994 Made in Australia MXMXCIV Matrix: SP-105 -631- "This is a collection of studio and alternates from the albums Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited, and Blonde on Blonde recorded January 15, 1965 to January 21, 1966." Outtakes from Bringing It All Back Home (1965), Highway 61 Revisited (1965), and Blonde on Blonde (1966) in random order. breazeal@ukcc.uky.edu (Dan Breazeale): "Though most of this material has circulated in various forms for years, it is very welcome to have all of these studio tracks collected on a single, well-engineered disc. Everyone who has worn out at least one vinyl copy of Blonde On Blonde (1966) should obtain a copy of this Spank CD. The packaging is quite nice, with a colour cover photograph of Dylan circa 1965/66, dressed entirely in black and standing up, holding an abstract cross, against a white background (obviously from the same photo session as the photo on the CD). The back of the sleeve has a black and white photograph of Dylan outdoors in a winter landscape (there is snow on the ground), wearing what looks to be his Blonde On Blonde scarf, eating with a fork from what looks like a bowl of gruel while talking to a woman with her back to the camera. The back of the CD features a small black and white picture of Dylan in the studio with a Fender guitar and wearing dark glasses. The area of the case behind where the CD goes is also decorated, with a reproduction of what looks like the picture of Dylan from "Rock Dreams." Finally, the disc itself is embossed with a blue picture of a laughing (!) Bob Dylan singing into a suspended studio microphone. [SP-105 -631-] Full information is provided regarding the date and personnel of each track. [Not always correctly, though.] There is, however, no listing of running time for either the individual tracks or the entire disc. The overall sound quality is very high. Only She's Your Lover Now (16), which is obviously taken from an acetate and mixed at a much lower level than the rest of the disc, is an exception." howells@netcom.com (John Howells): "Like the other Spank release 7 Years Of Bad Luck [T-311], this is an excellent well packaged disc. It brings together some of the rarer material from 1965 and 1966, those years when Dylan was going for that "thin wild mercury sound". They decided to use the rarer take of "If You Gotta Go, Go Now" that was released as a single in France and Belgium in 1967 instead of the already officially available version that appears on the Bootleg Series (1991). Also, for the first time, the other fast Freeze Out (15) appears, although I believe the date attribution has been mixed up with that of She's Your Lover Now (16) appearing on the same disc as the usual one. Incidentally, why they chose to include the same version (12) that already appears on the Bootleg Series is beyond me. Some other rarities appear, such as a stereo version of the alternate From A Buick 6 (4). For years many claimed that the alternate version appeared only on the mono release, but now we know this to be false. The beginning has a slight buzz, but it's not too annoying. Also of interest is the mistaken single version of Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (10), which they used instead of the other take that appears on Highway 61 Revisited Again [T-174] because I've been looking for years for a decent sounding version of this take. It appears on the seminal vinyl boot Stealin' (USA, 1969), but that always had a tinny sound. The instrumental version of I'll Keep It With Mine (8) is in stereo, but it also has surface crackles indicating that it comes from an acetate. It sounds very worked out and could have made a very good record if it had been finished. I wonder why Dylan had so much trouble getting this one done? He obviously thought a great deal about the song, having tried it in at least four different settings. (Cf I'll Keep It With Mine [F/035] [14/070] on Through A Bullet Of Light [T-378] or The Witmark Demos [T-312].) Sound quality for all of these tracks is as good as any I've ever heard and the selections are well thought out, but I have to wonder about the accuracy of the attributed dates and personnel. For instance, Paul Griffin is credited with celeste and piano on Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (10) and Al Kooper with organ. Well, there's no organ on this song at all. Presumably Kooper is on celeste instead of the usual organ. Also, Dylan isn't rightly credited with playing piano on Freeze Out (3) (the well known take) and She's Your Lover Now (12, 16) (both versions). Also, the tracks are scattered throughout instead of in the more logical chronological order, but that's what program buttons are for I guess." ullsperg@mendel.berkeley.edu (Chris J. Ullsperger): "What a strange twist of fate. Two nights ago I transferred to cassette a reel which once belonged to A.J. Weberman (at least 17 years old according to my source). The title of the reel was "singles" and "outs" and it contained virtually every track on this CD that hasn't seen CD release before except for the Keep It With Mine instrumental (8) and the stereo From a Buick 6 (4) (the reels I have are all mono)." If You Gotta Go, Go Now (3) is the same take as the single version: "It's just that I ain't got no watch," but in a different mix. Visions of Johanna (3) is the "he examines the nightingale's code, still left on the fish truck that loads" version. Visions of Johanna (15) is the "he examines the nightingale's code, still written on the fish truck that loads" version. From A Buick 6 (4) is the famous alternate version opening with harmonica, released on the Japanese version of Highway 61 Revisited CBS/Sony 25 AP273, on some of the mono CL-2389 and on a small batch of stereo CS-9189 (the pressing has a "-1" at the end of the matrix number, stamped in the vinyl trailoff). "I got graveyard women, you know they keep the kids..." Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (10) has the "'um on don't say he will haunt you..." ending [1/104]. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (14) is the fragment [1/116]. Just A Little Glass Of Water was the working title for She's Your Lover Now (12 and 16) on the one sided aluminium acetate Columbia Reference Recordings, so it is appropriate to use it here. It is a reference to Dylan before the song gurgling with water presumably to clear his voice. Phill Townsend in Issue 8, July 1994 of The Famous Etiquette Book [p. 3] reports tracks 12 and 16 as Sitting On A Barbed Wire Fence... The Lonesome Sparrow Sings [T-349] is very similar, omitting the instrumentals: Number One (11) [available on T-115, T- 152] and [I'll] Keep It With Mine (8), the released single Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (10) [available on T- 115, T-152] and The Bootleg Series (1991)' She's Your Lover Now (12) [available on T-115, T-152]. Bob Dylan Live With The Band, Al Kooper And Mike Bloomfield [T-115] included seven of the tracks on this CD in 1988. Variant: Matrix: SP-105. The CD itself does not have the picture of Dylan but is half silver half blue with printed letters. The typography of the cover and inserts is somewhat different, generally plainer. Some would prefer T-349. Cf T-115, T-116, T-152, T-159... The Lonesome Sparrow Sings / Bob Dylan [15 January 1965 - 27 January 1966] Black Nite Crash, BNC 003, [1994] Matrix: TSD BNC 003 Total Running Time: 75:23 "The unreleased studio outtakes (1965-1966)". Tracks 14-18 are listed as "bonus tracks" on the insert. Insignificantly variant dates of sessions are given in the insert listing. An Alice In Wonderland quotation is found on the inside of the insert. In the black and silver drawing on the CD Alice is looking up at the Cheshire Cat. The black and white picture on the back of the rear insert shows a woman looking up at Bob Dylan in a similar tree... The front insert black and white picture is a Dylan harmonica microphone shot. The inside front insert colour picture is Dylan on a stool with a black cat in the foreground. The rear insert has Dylan with electric guitar and harmonica. Outtakes from Bringing It All Back Home (1965), Highway 61 Revisited (1965), and Blonde on Blonde (1966) in chronological order. If You Gotta Go, Go Now (3) is the same take as the single version: "It's just that I ain't got no watch," but in a different mix. Sitting on a Barbed Wire Fence (8) is the alternate take: "Well, I paid one million, seven hundred thousand dollars and fifteen cents..." Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (9) has the "Yes, come out your window..." ending and is here in stereo [2/116]. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (10) has the "'um on don't say he will haunt you" ending [1/104]. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (13) is the fragment [1/116]. From A Buick 6 (10) is the famous alternate version opening with harmonica, released on the Japanese version of Highway 61 Revisited CBS/Sony 25 AP273, on some of the mono CL-2389 and on a small batch of stereo CS-9189 (the pressing has a "-1" at the end of the matrix number, stamped in the vinyl trailoff). "I got graveyard women, you know they keep the kids..." "Relationships of ownership They whisper in the wings To those condemned to act accordingly And wait for succeeding kings And I try to harmonize with songs The lonesome sparrow sings There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden." Visions of Johanna (16) is the "he examines the nightingale's code, still left on the fish truck that loads" version. Visions of Johanna (18) is the "he examines the nightingale's code, still written on the fish truck that loads" version. Thin Wild Mercury Music [T-350] is very similar, omitting You Don't Have To Do That (1) [available on T-231 or T-311], Sitting On A Barbed Wire Fence (8) [available on T-174], Desolation Row (11) [available on T-174] and the Biograph (1985) take of Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window (9, it has 10 & 13). Its track order is rather random. Bob Dylan Live With The Band, Al Kooper And Mike Bloomfield [T-115] included four of the tracks on this CD in 1988. Prefer T-350. Cf T-115, T-116, T-152, T-159, T-174...
Subject: Late 1980 Tour Boots From: Matthew Zuckerman Date: 1996/10/02 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Daniel Baars asked about these CDs: 'Go Ahead With a Dead' 'Live in San Francisco, Keep in Touch With the Antichrist' 'Let's Keep It Between Us' 'Deep Blue Sea' 'You Gotta Serve Somebody' 'Neil Young & Jerry Garcia & Friends - Duets' The first six are all the same, just different titles and covers. This is an incomplete line recording from Nov. 16, 1980 at the Warfield. Jerry Garcia joined Bob on a few songs. The sound quality is pretty good by 1980 standards, but nothing special. The last of these six is a double CD, the other disc being of the 1975 SNACK benefit with Bob off mike, Neil Young and members of the band. This one has been circulated under many different titles too. 'Live Adventures Of Bob Dylan And Jerry Garcia' I think this one is the same as the 6 above, but I'm not sure. 'Farewell Bloomfield' 'Rise Again' These two are different. They are both double CDs. The first one is from Nov. 15, one day before the show above. It's an almost complete line recording in better quality sound than the 16th. Mike Bloomfield comes on for two songs, the last performance before he died (hence the title). There's a lovely talk by Bob introducing him. Rise Again is an excellent (for the time) audience recording of a show two weeks later in Seattle. There's the whole concert from the 30th with 5 bonus tracks from the night before. He performs "Fever" at this show. _________________________________ Matthew Zuckerman
Subject: Re: Dylan/G.Harrison boots? From: evschwarz@aol.com (Evelyn Schwarz) Date: 1997/01/10 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan On Tue, 07 Jan 1997 18:06:03 -0500, rand@advertising.sdi.agate.net (The Rands) wrote: > Anybody know of any good boots of George Harrison with Dylan? There used >to be some years ago that were so so quality wise. Any availible now on CD >in decent quality? My fave one is: CD "Possum Belly Overalls" (Gold Standard NASH 105, 1994 or the maybe easier to find *re-issue* on Gold Standard 4411218, 1995) It contains 19 ex stereo tracks from the Dylan/Harrison sessions on 1 May 1970 in Columbia Studio B, New York from a tape source. But George's voice & guitar you hear only occasionally in the left channel. 2 further tracks from that session exists: "Working On The Guru" available on some other Dylan boots and "If Not For You" is on Dylan's regular release "The Bootleg Series". An lengthly arcticle on that session, based on a little portion of a wider research by author Michael Krogsgaard, published in the unfortunately now ceased Dylan magazine "The Telegraph", with some additional comments, is on: http://nobile.wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de/~weigmann/dylhar_2.html Further there are the 2 home recording tracks, said to come from a cassette recorder, taped while George's visit at Dylan's Woodstock house in West Saugerties at Thanksgiving 1968 (21 or 28 Nov ? ) Nowhere To Go (formely known a "Everytime Sombody Comes To Town" etc) I'd Had You Anytime To found on several vinyl boots as well as on CD Completed Rarities Vol. 2 (Polyphone PH 1302) 4CD-set Artifacts III (Big Music BIGBX 009) There's the Holywood Palomino Club 19 Feb 87 Taj Mahal concert w/both available on video (longer) and CD Live! The Silver Wilburys (SWP 87-2) CD The Golden Wilburys (Front Row 37) And there's 17 Oct 87 London, Wembley Arena: last song of Dylan show "Rainy Day Woman Nos. 12 & 36" George plays guitar after repeated urging from Dylan, George has watched show from side stage - noticed only aud tape and 3 or 4 different aud video shots for that Maybe it's on a Dylan live CD from that show, I don't know. Ask the EDLIS folks. And the Hall Of Fame 20 Jan 88 LA show w/both on Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame (LP on Bust Records IR 003 & CD on Living Legend) And not to forget the Wilburys outtakes for Vol. 1 & 3 released on sevral CDs (Vol. 2 & 4 for instance) or recently on CD Traveling Wilburys Unsurepassed Masters (HARD RAIN-005) and some cv on CD "With A Little Help From Our Friend Jeff" (HQ 002) And last not least on video (cv) & CD/LP (cv) as well as on several bootlegs from the 16 Oct 92 NYC MSG Dylan tribute show. Note that Dylan re-recorded his vocals for "My Back pages" for the commercial release. - ev "Whatever colors you have in your mind I'll show them to you and you'll see them shine..."
Subject: Re: With A Little Help/Modern Minstrel/Golden Vanity From: Jeff Date: 1997/04/11 Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:06:48 +0000 >From: Ton Giling >Subject: With A Little Help/Modern Minstrel/Golden Vanity > >There are still three cd boots of which I don=B9t know where and when th= e >songs were recorded, so I need a little help... > The following CDs are reported to be from: With a Little Help of Two Stones 7/13/85 & 2/14/74 Modern Minstrel Under The Red Sky 5/14/92 Delia 5/14/92 If Not For You 5/8/92 Visions Of Johanna 5/8/92 Shelter From The Storm 5/5/92 Idiot Wind 5/5/92 Black Muddy River 4/30/92 Drifter's Escape 4/30/92 What Good Am I ? 5/11/92 Queen Jane Approximately 5/11/92 Most of The Time 5/9/92 Little Moses 5/9/92 Golden Vanity 4/24/92 Sally Sue Brown 4/28/92 Don't Let Your Deal Go Down 4/13/92 Female Rambling Sailor 4/3/92 Idiot Wind 4/3/92 The Lady Of Carlisle 4/14/92 Little Maggie 3/18/92 West LA Fadeaway 3/18/92 Dolly Dagger 3/18/92 Golden Vanity I'm A Roving Blade 7/1/92 Girl On The Greenbriar Shore 6/30/92 Little Moses 5/9/92 Golden Vanity 4/24/92 20 / 20 Vision 10/25/91 Barbara Allen 6/22/91 When First Unto This Country 6/12/91 I'm A Rovin' Gambler 11/6/91 That Lucky Old Sun 11/5/91 Two Soldiers 11/2/91 Dark As A Dungeon 2/6/90 Trail Of The Buffalo 6/18/91 Female Rambling Sailor 4/3/92 Man Of Constant Sorrow 6/11/88 Eileen Aroon 6/15/88 Wild Mountain Thyme 6/22/88 Waggoner's Lad 10/14/88 The Lakes Of Pontchartrain 6/17/88 EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:17:26 -0700 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Boot Question >On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 20:45:56 -0500, in rec.music.dylan >e-mail-here@webtv.net (Eric) wrote: > >I'm thinking about buying a couple Dylan boots and was wondering if >anybody could give me some information about them. The CDs are titled >The Hurrricane Carter Benefit and Tangled up in New York, What is the >sound qaulity of these Disc? I'm also looking for places to buy Boot >videos. I anyone knows where I can find videos let me know. Thanks The Hurrricane Carter Benefit is reported to be sourced from vinyl and of very good sound quality. It has been hard to find in the past. Tangled up in New York is reported to be of excellent quality. EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:56:21 +0100 From: Matthew Zuckerman Subject: Ques about LOVE SONGS FOR AMERICA & GET LOUD! Eric Hooe asked: >May have a chance to pick up a couple older live shows on CD. Does >anyone have any rating on the sound quality of the two titles listed >below? I greatly appreciate this info cause I can't find out anything >about these two. > >BOB DYLAN &THE BAND LOVE SONGS FOR AMERICA (2CD) > >BOB DYLAN &HAWKS GET LOUD ! (2CD) May 10th/'66 at >Bristol.C.Hall,London,7Trks & 8Trks LOVE SONGS is a line recording of January 14th 1974 in very good sound. It has the whole show, including The Band's sets, except for the final electric set and encores. Definitely worth getting. GET LOUD is an audience tape of the complete concert, and 1966 was too early to expect good audience recordings. The acoustic disc is just about listenable if you have a good system, but the electric half is dismal. Great music, of course, but only buy this one if you're a completist. Matthew _________________________________ Matthew Zuckerman
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:45:28 +0900 From: "love-0nl@wellmet.or.jp" Subject: Brand New Boots I found 2 brand new bootleg CDs today. "Lucky Not To Be Destroyed" [? : LR005/6] 18 songs from July 12, 1992 Juan-Les Pins show. "Forum Night" [Morbid Reality Sound Lab: MBCD 235] 15 songs from February 9, 1997 Tokyo show. Both sound much poorer than the circulating tapes. For crazy collectors only. Masato Kato Love Minus Zero/No Limit
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:33:19 -0700 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Jokerman Boot CD >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:32:44 GMT >From: Kauk1 >Subject: Jokerman Boot CD > >I saw this CD in a shop this evening, I think it was on the Boooo Label !! >Does anyone know about the quality of this single CD ? From the back cover >it looked like it was recorded in 1994. Thanks This is a 1CD of part of the Cologne, Germany 7/10/94 concert. Quality is reported to be good but as if the microphone was stuffed in a plastic bag.. Find the full concert on 2CD Love Minus Zero in excellent quality. EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
From: m006p500@mcmail.com (Alan Fraser) Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: CRAP Rating Explanation? Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:39:11 GMT On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:41:55 -0600, emoore@openix.com wrote: >Can someone post or email an explanation for what the 4 letters represent >in Crazy Joe's CRAP ratings? > >TIA > Content Recording Quality Archive Performance He dropped the CRAP system in July, and now uses a two character code: A to F for an overall rating and 0-9 for recording quality. For example, in his latest newsletter Tempest Storm (a new release of the Empire Burlesque out-takes) gets A9 and Fort Worth 1974 (an audience recording of the 25 Jan 74 concert with The Band) gets D4. Alan
From: rsweener@aol.com (Rsweener) Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: Before the Rain After the Fire Date: 24 Nov 1997 03:44:53 GMT Previously I wrote: >This has 4 songs from The Billy Faier Show, Oct. '62, that >can also be found on "Songs That Made Him Famous." >"Before The Rain..." is the only cd source for the two circulating >tracks of the April '63 Oscar Brand Show. >"Before.." has the 7 tracks from the May '63 Studs Terkel Wax >Museum Oops! This is wrong. The cd I was describing is called "Before The Flood And After The Fire." I had this title some notes I saved but figured one of us just wrote it down wrong. Miss Information has informed me of my mistake and posted a correction, but it hasn't shown up yet. So I figure I better do it myself before I lead someone astray. Try Joe Cliburn's page to find someone who knows what's on the cd. Rick
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:36:38 -0500 From: Miss Information Subject: Before the Rain After the Fire Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Hi chaps! In article <19971120223000.RAA27805@ladder01.news.aol.com> rsweener@aol.com (Rsweener) wrote: : >Does anyone have this cd? What's the quality like, set list etc... any info : This has 4 songs from The Billy Faier Show, Oct. '62, that : "Before The Rain..." is the only cd source for the two circulating : tracks of the April '63 Oscar Brand Show. : "Before.." has the 7 tracks from the May '63 Studs Terkel Wax : Museum that can be found in superior quality on a Yellow Dog ^Yes this is true! : Boot of that name. But Yellow Dog is out of business so I don't : Rick Is that really the title? You certain you don't mean Before The Flood And After The Fire (Luna Records, LU 9318, 1993, VTCD LUNA 9318)? You see why EDLIS has always suggested including the matrix number when mentioning any album? A unique number helps people guess what you are talking about. It aids searching of archives. It matters even more in these days of hundreds of Dylan CD-Rs and many CD pirates. : "Before The Rain..." is the only cd source for the two circulating : tracks of the April '63 Oscar Brand Show. Before The Flood... Is that really true? Matrix number please, you have a version unknown to the collectors I know... Are you sure you are not totally mixed up and thinking of Sings For His Supper (Gold Standard, 1994, 56693XK1 G&S003)? : This has 4 songs from The Billy Faier Show, Oct. '62, that Is that really true? Matrix number please, you have a version unknown to the collectors I know... >can also be found on "Songs That Made Him Famous." I'm >don't know if "Songs..." is in superior quality, but it is definitely Songs That Made Him Famous (Tuff Bites, T.B. 95.1012, 1995 Bar-code: 5 450222 950129, Matrix: DURECO [01] TB 95.1012) is in superior quality. 1. It sounds as good if not better. 2. It includes all four songs. Before The Flood And After The Fire (Luna Records, LU 9318, 1993, VTCD LUNA 9318) has only two (Make Me A Pallet On Your Floor [4/026] and The Death Of Emmett Till [3/026]. But the four songs were already available seven years ago on Paranoid Blues (Diamonds in Your Ear, CD 42, 1990, Produced by Flashback Worldproductions, DCD 045 01)! Complete and in the correct order. At 75:31 this was for a long time the longest Dylan CD there was. Now chaps, I am the first to praise the standard of educashion in the USA, I love th freeedom of expression adn hte lack of constraints of logic, accuracy, fact or truth. But rememeber the dead people who sampled someone's wirk on my hamburgerology practical at Chicago, no one has been indicted yet, but it could have bean me! (Luckily I swapped nametags with the kid with acne who was always getting top grades 'til then, sea I learned lots!) I don't mein I could have bean dead, I mean I could have been blamed. Anyway so far know deaths at Dooke, but say the same thing happens to someone from reading one of my Latin translations? 93.6% of the work done by the EDLIS boot boys is tracking down misinformation and proving that somepone's sloppenis or carlessness is being repeated as fact. Collecting Dlyan is fun, but it is a complex world with hundreds and hundreds of different Dylan albums and thousands of tapes, and awl. So be sure or be pure. And we all know the latter ain' no fun. Nothing personal Rick, I know you are being helpful and we don't want anyone discouraged from posting. We look forward to info on an album called Before the Rain After the Fire, described as you describe it. Label, matrix number, etc please. Is it very new? My good friend John Howls -- named after a Gainsborough poem, ooops I mean a Ginsberg painting -- has the measure of it. When he spouts nonsense he makes it clear what is opinion, what is guess work and what is fact. Getting the contents of a Cd wrong is fine if you start by saying, "I don't have my CDs with me here in Red Wing, but from memory I think I am correct in saying....". John commented recently on a CD he has never heard, but he made it clear he was commenting on the only known tape, not on the CD. He is a good boy. A bad boy might have slurred the CD itself sight unheard! So there are four levels: 1. Certainty - "Reading from the insert and listening to the CD as I type..." 2. Guesswork - "The CD is at home, but I recall..." 3. Wild Insane Speculation on Acid - "I made up the title, never saw the CD, and cannot recall if I am posting to Bruce Springsteen's list or Bobby Gentry's, but I would like to inform you..." See, accuracy is best, in watches, in atomic bomb launch sights, and in fast food degrees. Some of us lean the hard way, and some of learn the soft way, and some of us got a lot of forks 'n' knives on their tables. Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est as we say at Dooke. Miss Information Patron Saint of the Internet miss.information@edlis.org http://www.edlis.org/miss_information/ Fiend of the Pope! Seamstress at Applied Materials! Sorority Sister! -- Yo i'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, So tell me what you want, what you really really want, I'll tell you what I want, what I really reaally want, So tell me what you want, what you really really want, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna Z I G Z I G H A A ! ! !
From: walmatthew@aol.com (Walmatthew) Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: Before the Rain After the Fire Date: 27 Nov 1997 02:04:47 GMT correct title:Before The Flood And After The Fire/Luna Records/LU9318/Tracks 1-7 from Studs Terkel"s Wax Museum(include interview and songs)/tracks8-9 from WMFT,Chicago/out of print as far as i know/quality fair to good/
From: rsweener@aol.com (Rsweener) Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: Before the Rain After the Fire Date: 27 Nov 1997 17:47:04 GMT Miss Information wrote: >: "Before The Rain..." is the only cd source for the two circulating >: tracks of the April '63 Oscar Brand Show. > Before The Flood... > >Matrix number please, you have a version unknown to the collectors >I know... >Are you sure you are not totally mixed up and thinking of >Sings For His Supper (Gold Standard, 1994, 56693XK1 G&S003)? Is that really true? Matrix number please, you have a version unknown to the collectors I know... You see, I'm listening to my copy of Sings For His Supper (Gold Standard, 1994, 56693XK1 G&S003) right now, and I'm wondering if perhaps you have completely confused things and are thinking of the two tracks, "Sally Gal" and "The Girl I Left Behind," from October 29, 1961 (and not sounding at all like "Girl Of The North Country" and "Only A Hobo," from Oscar Brand, April '63). I do say, old chap. I realize you are likely operating on heretofore unnamed level of accuracy, 2.5, Guesswork - "The CD is isn't even at home, it's at my Mums. But I recall..." Still, the least you could have done is have expressed this. Here, here. >: This has 4 songs from The Billy Faier Show, Oct. '62, that ... >Before The Flood And After The Fire (Luna Records, LU 9318, 1993, >VTCD LUNA 9318) has only two (Make Me A Pallet On Your Floor [4/026] >and The Death Of Emmett Till [3/026]. Ah, now that's a good fellow. Quite right. Yes I have this written right here in my notes, and yet I still misread it. That would put me at accuracy level 2.77, and there's just no excuse. So sorry. Shan't happen again. >Now chaps, I am the first to praise the standard of educashion >in the USA, I love th freeedom of expression adn hte lack of >constraints of logic, accuracy, fact or truth. But rememeber the >dead people who sampled someone's wirk on my hamburgerology >practical at Chicago, no one has been indicted yet, but it >could have bean me! (Luckily I swapped nametags with the kid with >acne who was always getting top grades 'til then, sea I learned >lots!) I don't mein I could have bean dead, I mean I could have >been blamed. Anyway so far know deaths at Dooke, but say the same >thing happens to someone from reading one of my Latin translations? Lays it on a bit thick, don't you think? I'm beginning to think this person doesn't much care for master Dylan's homeland. Still, I know if it was okay by Larry, it could only have been meant as a lark. :) >93.6% of the work done by the EDLIS boot boys is tracking down >misinformation and proving that somepone's sloppenis or carlessness >is being repeated as fact. In fact, they may even be tracking down Miss Information as I type this, but I'm going ahead and posting anyway. Better safe than sorry I always say. >We look forward to info on an album called Before the Rain After the Fire, >described as you describe it. Label, matrix number, etc please. Is it >very new? I shall never, never part with my copy. It is totally unique. Therefore matrix numbers and label shall have to be kept confidental, lest some unsavory individual try to counterfeit additional copies. Your only hope is with a trade for that very exciting copy of Sings For His Supper you have with the Oscar Brand 1963 appearance. :) > Miss Information > Patron Saint of the Internet > miss.information@edlis.org > http://www.edlis.org/miss_information/ Ah, yes. I've heard of this EDLIS. It was rumored they were going to put all the wonderful information on Mr. Bob Dylan that has been donated to them, matrix numbers et al, on a web site, that would be conveniently accessable to even the most common sort to peruse at their leisure. I certainly hope this is not true. Truly one of those silly "American" kind of notions that best be put to rest before it gets out of hand. ;) Cheerio, Rick
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:53:43 -0500 From: Miss Information Subject: Before the Rain After the Fire Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan In article <19971127055601.AAA20307@ladder01.news.aol.com> rsweener@aol.com (Rsweener) locks horns with: : Miss Information who wrote: : >: "Before The Rain..." is the only cd source for the two circulating : >: tracks of the April '63 Oscar Brand Show. : > Before The Flood... : >Matrix number please, you have a version unknown to the collectors : >Are you sure you are not totally mixed up and thinking of : >Sings For His Supper (Gold Standard, 1994, 56693XK1 G&S003)? : Is that really true? : Matrix number please, you have a version unknown to the collectors : I know... : You see, listening to my copy of Sings For His Supper (Gold Standard, 1994, : 56693XK1 G&S003) right now, and I'm wondering if perhaps you have : completely confused things and are thinking of the two tracks, "Sally Gal" : and "The Girl I Left Behind," from October 29, 1961 (and : not sounding at all like "Girl Of The North Country" and "Only A Hobo," : from Oscar Brand, April '63). : I do say, old chap. I realize you are likely operating on heretofore unnamed : level of accuracy, 2.5, Guesswork - "The CD is isn't even at home, it's at my : Mums. But I recall..." Still, the least you could have done is have : expressed this. Here, here. Wellllll, a noble attempt at obfuscation, but you are tilting at windmills, my dear. My : >Are you sure you are not totally mixed up and thinking of : >Sings For His Supper (Gold Standard, 1994, 56693XK1 G&S003)? uses the phrase "sure you are not totally mixed up" in that if you had that item in mind you would have named the wrong CD, the wrong Oscar Brand show, and the wrong year. And why are you calling me "old chap"? If you need to see a photograph ask ron@edlis.org to show you the glass door photograph. Nothing faked there my boy! Could a person using the title Miss be a chap? I think not! I am well aware that Sings For His Supper (Gold Standard, 1994, 56693XK1 G&S003) is the 29 October 1961 Oscar Brand which began ciculating widely in 1993 and not the 1963 Oscar Brand [044]. Do you fish? Are you familiar with the lure used for red herring? Of coarse you our! : >: This has 4 songs from The Billy Faier Show, Oct. '62, that : >Before The Flood And After The Fire (Luna Records, LU 9318, 1993, : >VTCD LUNA 9318) has only two (Make Me A Pallet On Your Floor [4/026] : >and The Death Of Emmett Till [3/026]. : Ah, now that's a good fellow. Quite right. Yes I have this written right : in my notes, and yet I still misread it. That would put me at accuracy : level 2.77, and there's just no excuse. So sorry. Shan't happen again. : >Now chaps, I am the first to praise the standard of educashion : Lays it on a bit thick, don't you think? I'm beginning to think this person : doesn't much care for master Dylan's homeland. Still, I know if : it was okay by Larry, it could only have been meant as a lark. :) What indecencies are you implying kind sir? The gentleman's heart of whom you speak is not with me I assure you, but to say one word more would get me in incaculable hot water. Nay scalding! As a Cuban and a gentleman I take a certain view, 'tis true. I know the meaning of "democracy" and "freedom" and "international law" and... But this is not the time or plaice. Another red herring. Mr Dylan's homeland is the Highlands! No turkey for him! I do care for Vespucciland, one who did not care would be indifferent. : >93.6% of the work done by the EDLIS boot boys is tracking down : >misinformation and proving that somepone's sloppenis or carlessness : >is being repeated as fact. : In fact, they may even be tracking down Miss Information as I type this, : but I'm going ahead and posting anyway. Better safe than sorry I always : >We look forward to info on an album called Before the Rain After the Fire, : >described as you describe it. Label, matrix number, etc please. Is it : I shall never, never part with my copy. : It is totally unique. Therefore matrix numbers and label shall have to be : kept confidental, lest some unsavory individual try to counterfeit additional : copies. Your only hope is with a trade for that very exciting : copy of Sings For His Supper you have with the Oscar Brand 1963 : appearance. :) You have hallucinated it. It was not in my words. Walkin' backwards, indeed! : Cheerio, : Rick Miss Information Patron Saint of the Internet miss.information@edlis.org http://www.edlis.org/miss_information/ Fiend of the Pope! Seamstress at Applied Materials! Private Personal Tutor to Master Richard Sweener, Esq.! -- Yo i'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, So tell me what you want, what you really really want, I'll tell you what I want, what I really reaally want, So tell me what you want, what you really really want, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna Z I G Z I G H A A ! ! !
From: blackbox@erfurt.thur.de (Schwarz) Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: Possum Belly Overalls Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:06:12 GMT On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:14:57 GMT, alan.fraser@mcmail.com (Alan Fraser) wrote: >On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:29:31 -0600, "Debra D. Berns" > wrote: > >>Dear Sirs/Madams: >> >>Am searching profusely for "Possum Belly Overalls" on CD....anyone have >>suggestions or access?? >> >>Regards, Rick > >Yesterday (Winged Wheel) has all the May 1, 1970 material, only >omitting the 2 Self Portrait out-takes from 1969, Johnny Cash covers >Folsom Prison Blues and Ring Of Fire. > >Alan The 1 May 70 session material w/George Harrison from "Possum Belly Overalls" or "Yesterday" CD is also available nowadays on CD "Almost Went To See Elvis" (Cool Daddy) ("Isis 75 1/2" says it's a straight copy of "Yesterday") But these CDs contains not all available material, since there's still the single track "Working On (A) The Guru" which belongs to the 1 May 70 session. This single one you can find on: CD "Odds & Ends - Unsurpassed Maestro Vol. 1" (Sick Cat SC 006), 3CD-Set "The Genuine Bootleg Series" (Scorpio 94-14-901/02/03) CD "Acetates On The Tracks Vol. 2 (1965-1974)" (Howling Wolf-Records [AC 002]) Harrison's e-guitar is clearly to hear, this time in the right channel, because on all three bootlegs the stereo channels are reversed in comparison to the other bootlegs. - ev