60's Dylan on CD
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Subject: Dylan: Collecting the '60's
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/05/16
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Hi, all.
Keep an eye out for my guide to collecting unreleased
dylan material of the 1960's. It is comprised of the
best cd sources according to what I have been able
to surmise from ftp files, rmd posts, inquiries to
people familiar with the titles, and help from EDLIS.
It was gathered for my personal use,
but I thought it would be nice to share.
You will need Krogsgaard's book, as it is referenced to
the numbers he assigns performances. I check my copy
out from the library.
I may add dates in the future, but I'm trying to start off
as lean as possible (thus only the prefered cds, not
all, and no track listings.)
Something like this should have been out long ago.
Check other groups, like Springsteen, REM, U2...
They all have comprehensive guides.
Well, better late than never. I hope this can help some
people.
Best wishes,
Rick Sweeney
Subject: 60's Dylan on CD #1(2) [LONG!]
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/05/17
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
BOB DYLAN: The 60's On CD
This is a reference to the Bob Dylan material of the 1960's that
has been documented on cd, aside from legitimate releases.
(This is not concerned with sideman performances or interviews).
These titles are what I believe to be the best sources, based on
info I have gathered from various ftp files, rec.music.dylan
postings, inquiries I have made to people on the net, and help
from EDLIS.
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It is organized according to numbers assigned by Krogsgaard
in his reference book, _Positively Bob Dylan_.
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Positively Bob Dylan: A Thirty Year Discography,
Concert & Recording Session Guide, 1960-1991
by Michael Krogsgaard.
Ann Arbor, MI:
Popular Culture, 1991. 498 p.
ISBN: 1560750006
LCCN: 89-92336
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Note: Krogsgarrd #'s with asterisks are not actually in
Krogsgaard. I made them up, using a number I thought would
place the material in appropriate context.
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Label info is given on the first mention of a cd title only.
Krogs. #'s to the right of the title indicate the contents of the cd.
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[002]
The Dylan's Root [002, 010]
Skeleton SKCD 1001
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[004]
The Minnesota Tapes [004,014]
Wanted Man
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[007]
Gaslight Tapes [007, 030]
OR:
[007]
Documents of Bob Dylan [007, 022, 030]
4 CD's
Magic Music CD 31001, 31002, 31003, 31004
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[010]
The Dylan's Root [002,010]
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[011]offers unreleased #6
The Bootleg [011, 015, 019]
Wanted Man Music - WMM 022
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[014]
The Minnesota Tapes [004, 014]
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[015]
The Bootleg [011, 015, 019]
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[017.05*]
Folksinger's Choice [017.05*]
Yellow Dog - YD 017
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[019]offers two unreleased tracks
The Bootleg [011, 015, 019]
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[021]
Paranoid Blues [021, 026, 039, 064]
Diamonds in your Ear CD 42
Produced by Flashback Worldproductions 1990
see also:
Bob Dylan's Dream Vol. 2 [021,025,045,096]
Living Legend Records LLR-CD012
Bob Dylan's Dream : Historic Live Performances Vol. II
Living Legend Records, LLR-CD012, 1988
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[022]
Live, Finjan Club, Montreal, Canada
Yellow Dog Records - YD 010
OR:
[022]
Documents of Bob Dylan [007, 022, 030]
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[Various]
7 Years Of Bad Luck [various outtakes]
Spank Records - SP 102
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[Various]
The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan Outtakes [various outtakes]
Vigotone - VIGO 115 72:38
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[025]
Bob Dylan's Dream Vol. 2 [021,025,045,096]
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[026]
Paranoid Blues [021, 026, 039, 064]
see also
Songs That Made Him Famous [026, 039, 082.1]
Tough Bites
and
Before The Flood And After The Fire [026, 044, 046]
Luna Records - LU 9318
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[030]
Gaslight Tapes [007, 030]
OR:
[030]
Documents of Bob Dylan [007, 022, 030]
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[035]
The Witmark Years [035]
Capricorn
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[038]
Dr. Zimmerman's Original Old Time Hootenany [038, 056, 064]
Archive Productions, AP 89003, [?1990]
Disc title: Bob Dylan "Who You Really Are"
Matrix: AP 89003 T204-6001 01
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[039]
Paranoid Blues [021, 026, 039, 064]
see also
Songs That Made Him Famous [026, 039, 082.1]
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[041]
Bob Dylan "In Concert" [041, 061]
Capricorn Records Col. Cl-2303 Cs-9102
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[044]
Before The Flood And After The Fire [026, 044, 046]
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[045]
Bob Dylan's Dream Vol. 2 [021,025,045,096]
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[046]
Before The Flood And After The Fire [026, 044, 046]
see also
A Hard Rains Gonna Fall [046, 144]
[Drive 3068, 1989]
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[056]
Dr. Zimmerman's Original Old Time Hootenany [038, 056, 064]
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[061]
Bob Dylan "In Concert" [041, 061]
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[064]
Paranoid Blues [021, 026, 039, 064]
see also
Dr. Zimmerman's Original Old Time Hootenany [038, 056, 064]
Subject: 60's Dylan on CD #2(2) [LONG!]
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/05/17
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
_____________________________________________________
[075]
Bob Dylan - Live in New York 1964 [075]
Record Document DR 001 CD.
or
Black Panther BPCD021 1989
AND:
Live in Newport [075, 106]
Black Panther - BPCD 023
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[various outtakes, 15 January 1965 - 27 January 1966]
The Lonesome Sparrow Sings [various]
Black Nite Crash, BNC 003, [1994]
Matrix: TSD BNC 003
OR:
Thin Wild Mercury Music [various]
Spank Records, SP-105, 1994
Matrix: SP-105
[There are a couple of tracks on each cd not found on the other.]
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[082.1]
Songs That Made Him Famous [026, 039, 082.1]
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[096]
Bob Dylan - Now Ain't The Time For Your Tears [096]
The Swingin' Pig, TSP-CD-057, 1990
OR:
Now's The Time For Your Tears [096]
Wanted Man WMM061
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[102]
The Circus is in Town [102]
92-BD-SC-4004
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[106]
Live in Newport [075, 106]
Black Panther - BPCD 023
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[121.1*]
Long Distance Operator [121.1]
Wanted Man Music - WMM 001
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[133]
Melbourne [remastered] [133]
Wanted Man
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[144]
A Hard Rains Gonna Fall [046, 144]
[Drive]
OR:
Adelphi Theatre, Dublin, May 5, 1966 [144]
Bulldog Records - BGCD 008
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[147.1*]
A Week In The Life [147.1*, 148, 149.1*, 151]
Disc title: In 1966 There Was
Gold Standard, RAZO14, [1994]
Matrix: B319 GREEN
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[148]
A Week In The Life [147.1*, 148, 149.1*, 151]
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[148.1*]
Leicester '66 [148.1*]
Spine title: Bob Dylan Leicester 66 BD 151966
[No label], 2761-015, [1993]
AA1193
Matrix : SIAE 2761-015
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[149.1*]
A Week In The Life [147.1*, 148, 149.1*, 151]
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[150]
Before The Crash Vol 2 [150, 151, 154]
Music With Love, 1992
Matrix: MWL 007
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[151]
A Week In The Life [147.1*, 148, 149.1*, 151]
AND:
Before The Crash Vol 2 [150, 151, 154]
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[152]
Pill Box [152]
2 CDs
TNT Studio, TNT-940157, TNT-940158, [1994]
Matrix: TNT-940157 58830XK1, 58861XK1 TNT-940158
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[154]
Before The Crash Vol 2 [150, 151, 154]
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[155]
Before The Crash Vol 1 [150, 151, 154]
Music With Love , 1992
Matrix: MWL001 17619 01
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[162]
The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 1
Scorpio B-100
AND:
The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 2:
Scorpio BD-200-3
AND:
After The Crash Vol 1
Big Pink, BP 001, [1993]
Matrix: DL CD 13389
AND:
The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol 4: OR: After The Crash Vol 2
Scorpio BD-SC-80-07 Big Pink BP 002, 1993
Matrix: D1 CD A13556
AND:
The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 5:
Scorpio BD-SC-80-06
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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Any list of 60's Dylan material on cd is not complete
without mention of the Johnny Cash, George Harrison, and
Ilse of Wight material that is out there.
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This is a bit of a mess that I have yet to sort through.
Ilse of Wight in particular has yet to be released on a boot
cd that has the complete performance in the best sound
quality for each track. There was an informative post on this
which I may track down an add to this when it is placed on a
homepage, assuming the author doesn't mind.
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This guide is for purposes of documentation. The exchange of
bootleg cds is illegal.
Subject: Gaslight and Finjan
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/05/18
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Dan B. < BREAZEAL@UKCC.UKY.EDU > commented on
Rare Live Performances in the Sixties/ Bob Dylan [1962]
Vol. I-III, The History Series (3CD).
This is distributed by Magic Music, the same people who
made the 4CD set Documents Of Dylan that I listed.
Assuming the sound quality to be equal to that set,
then I am told that Finjan Club by Yellow Dog is in equal
or superior sound. I also read that the Gaslight material
on Documents was equal to that of the Gaslight Tapes cd.
If all this is true, then it's just a matter of which cds can be
found cheapest.
If anyone knows more on the comparison of these cd sources,
please post it and let us know.
Regarding "Rare Live...", wonder why they didn't just include all the
Finjan material on the last cd (and in order) instead of splitting it
up like that?
Thanks for the info, Dan.
Rick
Subject: Re: Gaslight and Finjan
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/05/22
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Markus Wobisch wrote:
>R. Sweener (RSweener@AOL.COM) wrote:
>: Dan B. < BREAZEAL@UKCC.UKY.EDU > commented on
>
>: Rare Live Performances in the Sixties/ Bob Dylan [1962]
>: Vol. I-III, The History Series (3CD).
>: .... (deleted) .....
>: If all this is true, then it's just a matter of which cds can be
>: found cheapest.
>
>The price for the above mentioned 3CD-set at the german
>mail-order house "2001" is: 15.90DM
>
>I think that's quite cheap!!
That's the one for you to get. But for those of us in the
U.S. and outside of Europe, the cost of obtaining that set will
rise, once you figure in shipping and the cost of the jewel boxes,
which I'd bet they don't include in that price.
Hopefully, it's still cheaper than Documents of Bob Dylan. I think I
estimated that would end up costing me about $56 to order it
mail-order from Magic Com, all told. (magiccom@edina.xnc.com)
Still not that bad a price.
Could you please fill us in on this "2001" mail-order?
Also, does anyone have a clue what 15.90DM converts
to in U.S. dollars?
Thanks,
Rick
Subject: 60's Dylan on CD (AMEND 1)
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/05/22
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Hi, people.
Dan's posting earlier of another Gaslights cd led me
to do a little more inquiring about this material. With some
info Craig Jaimeson sent me, I realized that the Gaslight Tapes
cd doesn't include the first Gaslight performance as I had thought.
Therefore either Documents Of Bob Dylan (4cd) or
Rare Live Performances (3cd) would be the ones to get for
gaslights, assuming your interested in collecting all the
60's material on cd.
Craig's help on things like this allowed me to sort out what I
needed. Royal Albert Hall / Manchester was a particularly awful
mess. Without the info Craig sent me, I'd be lost. So I really
am thankful to him for all his help.
The following change is necessary to the list I posted.
Regarding the gaslight and Finjan Club performances:
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[007]
Rare Live Performances in the Sixties/ Bob Dylan [1962] [007, 022, 030]
Vol. I-III, The History Series [3 CDs]
Nagic Music CD 31008
OR:
[007]
Documents of Bob Dylan [007, 022, 030]
4 CD's
Magic Music CD 31001, 31002, 31003, 31004
_____________________________________________________
_____________________________________________________
[022]
Rare Live Performances in the Sixties/ Bob Dylan [1962] [007, 022, 030]
OR:
[022]
Documents of Bob Dylan [007, 022, 030]
_____________________________________________________
_____________________________________________________
[030]
Rare Live Performances in the Sixties/ Bob Dylan [1962] [007, 022, 030]
OR:
[030]
Documents of Bob Dylan [007, 022, 030]
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This also brings up a point about the list I created. The Gaslight Tapes cd
and the Finjan Club cd by Yellow Dog are still fine cds to get if you
just want the material that's on them. Yet I've bounced them off the list.
This is because the scope of the list is not to name every quality cd out
there.
Rather it is to name the best ones if one is concerned with a list of cds
representing all the material of the 60's in generally the best sound
quality, with as
little overlap of material on the cds as possible.
For this reason, some classic cds like Swingin Pig's Royal Albert Hall didn't
make the list. If I hadn't limited the scope of the list in this way, I'd
still be working
on it. And, especially since I know now which cds I want, I'd rather be
listening to Dylan.
Doing the list this way allowed me to offer something useful to you all,
while still leaving the door open for more complete lists, supplements,
etc, in the future.
I'm still glad to see improvements to the list, of course. If Dan hadn't
mentioned,
that cd set, I wouldn't have struck upon my error. So if you've got
suggestions, feel free.
Thanks.
Rick
Subject: 60's Dylan on CD
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/05/18
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
In response to this entry on my 60's Dylan On CD list,
>_____________________________________________________
>[075]
>Bob Dylan - Live in New York 1964 [075]
>Record Document DR 001 CD.
>or
>Black Panther BPCD021 1989
>
>AND:
>
>Live in Newport [075, 106]
>Black Panther - BPCD 023>
>_____________________________________________________
Bryce Maynard wrote:
>Halloween Mask-New York 1964 (2 CD)-far better than incomplete Panther CD
If you get both Live in New York 1964 and Live in Newport, then you will get
the complete Halloween show. So my question to you is, do you know the
sound quality of Halloween Mask to be superior to that of the Document
cds (or the Black Panther copies)?
Let us know on this.. If it is only equal in sound quality, then I
personally
would still opt for the cds I listed, as you get the Newport material as
well.
I chose to list the Document/Panther CDs based on info from an owner and
EDLIS opinion.
>Bob Dylan & The Hawks Play Fucking Loud - Birmingham 5/12/66, Liverpool 5/14
> Sheffield 5/16, Manchester 5/17
>(haven't heard the one you mentioned, but it can't be much better than this)
...
>Of course, there's also Manchester Prayer & Live at the Royal Albert Hall
>which are the best sources I know of for 5/17/66...if there's anything
>better I'd sure like to know.
A Week In The Life offers all the material found on Play Loud (less one Odean
cut)
and RAH in what I believe to be equal sound quality (or at least so close
that
I still chose to list it for the money saving value.)
Manchester Prayer is not listed because the material is covered in equal
quality
on Before The Crash 1 and 2, along with the REAL Albert Hall performances of
5/26 and 5/27.
>I'm sure there are several others as well....I've heard there's a CD of
>Bristol 5/10/66 but I can't recall the name.
Please let me know if you find out the name of this one. I want it.
*****
I really appreciate your opinions on this because I'd like to see the list
improve.
I originally listed all cd sources I knew of for each event, but felt like it
was
a little unwieldy and would be more useful just to list prefered sources.
Then, if someone sees another cd that I didn't list, they can always check
with rmd readers or EDLIS to see if its better (and if it is, I'd like to
insert it on
the list in place of what I have.)
I also left it lean so it would be easier for Ben Taylor to add to his
homepage.
If he can handle it, I (or anyone) can always add a supplement to show what
other cd
sources I know to be out there besides what I included on my prefered list.
Thanks,
Rick Sweeney
Subject: 60's Dylan On CD (AMEND 2)
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/05/23
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Thanks to Bryce Maynard for pointing out the missing
Bristol CD and to PD Spencer for the details.
Those of you with the list will want to insert the following:
_____________________________________________________
[146]
Get Loud [146]
Cuttlefish 013,014 (2 CDs)
_____________________________________________________
Best,
Rick Sweeney
Subject: Re: 60's Dylan on CD
From: howells@netcom.com (John Howells)
Date: 1995/05/19
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
"R. Sweener" writes:
wrote:
<>Bob Dylan & The Hawks Play Fucking Loud - Birmingham 5/12/66, Liverpool 5/14
<> Sheffield 5/16, Manchester 5/17
<>(haven't heard the one you mentioned, but it can't be much better than this)
<...
<>Of course, there's also Manchester Prayer & Live at the Royal Albert Hall
<>which are the best sources I know of for 5/17/66...if there's anything
<>better I'd sure like to know.
I'm sure there are several others as well....I've heard there's a CD of
<>Bristol 5/10/66 but I can't recall the name.
Subject: Re: 60's Dylan on CD
From: rd615@aol.com (RD615)
Date: 1995/05/20
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Bob Dylan & The Hawks Play Fucking Loud - Birmingham 5/12/66, Liverpool
>5/14
> Sheffield 5/16, Manchester 5/17
>(haven't heard the one you mentioned, but it can't be much better than
this)
The boot A Week In The Life Of has been remastered to apparently get rid
of some digital distortion on your release. I haven't been able to
compare, but A Week In The Life Of is an excellent boot.
_______________________________
Randy Davis RD615@aol.com
Subject: Re: 60's Dylan on CD
From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Date: 1995/05/23
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
RD615 (rd615@aol.com) wrote:
: The boot A Week In The Life Of has been remastered to apparently get rid
: of some digital distortion on your release. I haven't been able to
: compare, but A Week In The Life Of is an excellent boot.
Hmmmmmmm. All these comparisons, hard to judge, though I only pay
attention to those who have heard both side by side.
A Week In The Life Of is slower, definitely. It was remastered in the
sense of changing the speed. Which is more authentic? I think the
faster version, but maybe I just got used to it that way.
If you have heard both side by side then do post!
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The CD recording is not simply a clone of Play Fucking Loud! [T-
266] though they are related. It includes all of the tracks found
there except the legitimately released Just Like Tom Thumb's
Blues [2] in good quality! It also includes all of the tracks
found on the famous Royal Albert Hall 1966 [T-121] in its many
incarnations, some say this CD has the most correct speed,
slightly slowed down from many of the others.
The order and repetition of songs is a bit odd, but some may like
this CD as it packs a lot in... Indeed there are those who prefer
this CD to Royal Albert Hall 1966 [T-121] and Play Fucking Loud!
[T-266].
The front insert has an interesting blurred photograph which
includes the famous American flag backdrop. And Bob Dylan is in
his entertaining check suit...
There is also a version where the only difference is plain white
packaging with the only text being, "In 1966 There Was".
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Subject: Re: 60's Dylan on CD
From: qms1.life.uiuc.edu (Stewart Berlocher)
Date: 1995/05/23
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
In article <3pt04c$68d@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig
Jamieson) wrote:
> A Week In The Life Of is slower, definitely. It was remastered in the
> sense of changing the speed. Which is more authentic? I think the
> faster version, but maybe I just got used to it that way.
>
> If you have heard both side by side then do post!
I have not heard either of these boots, but I thought I'd offer a thought
about determining the correct speed: see if it is in correct pitch. If
you play your E (or whatever) harmonica along with Bob, and the recording
is sharp, then the speed is too high. I know this can be very easily
done, as I used to spend a lot of time playing guitar with records to
learn songs, and fine adjustment of the speed control of the turntable
from record to record was often necessary.
Subject: Re: 60's Dylan on CD
From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Date: 1995/05/30
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
John Howells (howells@netcom.com) wrote:
: "R. Sweener" writes:
: wrote:
:<>Bob Dylan & The Hawks Play Fucking Loud -Birmingham 5/12/66, Liverpool 5/14
:<> Sheffield 5/16, Manchester 5/17
:<>(haven't heard the one you mentioned, but it can't be much better than this
:<...
:<>Of course, there's also Manchester Prayer & Live at the Royal Albert Hall
:<>which are the best sources I know of for 5/17/66...if there's anything
:<>better I'd sure like to know.
:I'm sure there are several others as well....I've heard there's a CD o
: <>Bristol 5/10/66 but I can't recall the name.
:
Subject: Re: 60's Dylan on CD
From: Bryce Maynard
Date: 1995/05/31
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Just to clear this whole thing up...when I stated that the Halloween
Mask CD was better than the Black Panther 'Live in New York' CD, I was
referring to the fact that the Black Panther CD was incomplete. I did not
know at the time that the rest of the concert was on the Newport CD...it was
my mistake, I should have looked at the numbers more closely. As for sound
quality, I have heard both CDs and did not notice a major difference in
quality, although I only briefly listened to the Black Panther CD...if
everyone believes that it's a bit better sounding than Halloween Mask, and
if the remaining songs are available on another CD, then I suppose EDLIS has
been right all along...
As for the Week in the Life vs. Play Fucking Loud, I have yet to hear
Week in the Life, but unless there is a tremendous difference in sound, I'll
probably still prefer Play Fucking Loud. For one thing, it's got the extra
Odeon track, for another, the songs are in the order they were played in
concert, and finally, there's a great picture on the cover.
Subject: 60's Dylan on CD
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/06/03
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Bryce Maynard wrote:
> As for the Week in the Life vs. Play Fucking Loud, I have yet to hear
>Week in the Life, but unless there is a tremendous difference in sound, I'll
>probably still prefer Play Fucking Loud.
I just read John Howells note that there is a big difference.
>For one thing, it's got the extra Odeon track,
This extra Odeon track has been legitimately released on Bootleg Series 1-3
>for another, the songs are in the order they were played in
>concert,
As far as the Play Fucking Loud material, it is in the same order on
A Week In The Life.
>and finally, there's a great picture on the cover.
Can't say I used pictures in assessing the recommendations I included,
but I did take into consideration the fact that A Week In The Life has
seven tracks from Free Trade Hall 5-17-66 that are not on Play Fucking Loud.
Coupled with the essential Before The Crash Vol. 2 (it's the only
cd source for the *actual* RAH performance), this gives you the
complete 5/17 show.
That said, a legit release of 5-17 on Bootlegs 4-5 would make that
extra bonus on A Week In The Life a mute point. I hope it does soon!
Rick
Subject: 60's Dylan On CD
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/06/03
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Craig Jamieson wrote:
> :John Howells (howells@netcom.com) wrote:
> : The tracks on "Before the Crash" are from the original vinyl acetates
> : and have lots of crackly surface noise. The "Manchester Prayer" tracks
> : come from the same source but have been cleaned up with the NoNoise
> : process, quite nicely I think. "Manchester Prayer" is the one to get, in
> : addition to "Before the Crash" (if you can find them).
>
>I prefer Manchester Prayer for Manchester acoustic. But am I correct in
>thinking Desolation Row (5) on Manchester Prayer is Royal Albert Hall
>27 May 1966 [5/155]]??
I'll make a note of inclusion for Manchester Prayer for those wanting the
best sound for those tracks. Regardless of whether you buy Manchester
Prayer or not, you will still need "A Week In The Life" and "Before The
Crash Vol 2" for the other material. Therefore, I myself will probably
go ahead and live with the lesser sound quality found on those two cds
in regards to the acoustic 5/17, and not buy Manchester Prayer.
Why? I'd rather wait for what will most certainly be the best sound
quality on Bootlegs 4-5. When that is released, Prayer will hopefully
be obsolete. When is the problem, though.
Rick
Subject: 60's Dylan On CD
From: "R. Sweener"
Date: 1995/06/03
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Les wrote
to recommend the Mr. Tambourine Man Vols. 1-2 set
for the Halloween show.
Until I hear that it is significantly better than the Panther/Document
sets, then I still have to go with Panther/Document for
a reason I stated before-- they include Newport '65 on the
2 cds.
Again, the exclusion of certain cds from the list does not
necesarily mean they are not up to par. The list was actually
a personal game plan for collecting the 60's on cd which
focused on the criteria of the best sound quality coupled with
as little overlap of material (and wasted money) as possible.
People may want to adjust it here and there, especially if you
want to make sound quality the only criteria.
I'm glad to see people make their comments on it, as Les and others
have done so as to help people fine tune it where they see fit.
Thanks,
Rick
Subject: Re: Bootleg series 4-5
From: Ben Taylor
Date: 1995/06/14
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Andrew Muir wrote:
>More importantly, are they at the *right* speed? I've only heard a snatch of an
>acoustic song & Dylan sounded stoned as against very, very, very stoned.
>Astonishing clarity, but a tad fast methinks........
Concerning the electric set:
I haven't done any serious research on the different speeds but I can say
that the speed is closer to the "Like A Rolling Stone" CD bootleg than the
recent "A Week In The Life". Before having the opportunity to hear the
Bootleg Series promo tape, I was convinced the correct speed for this material
was the 'slowed down' version released on "A Week In The Life". It sounded
more natural to me. However, compare the Manchester tracks on this CD to the
others, from Sheffield etc. The latter run faster. So why does no one complain
about those? My own personal opinion now is that the Bootleg Series promo
represents the true speed.
And does the speed Dylan was taking at the time have any bearing on this
discussion?
Ben Taylor
--
Leeds, England
bptaylor@laguna.demon.co.uk - http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~n246543
Subject: Re: Bootleg series 4-5
From: Andrew Muir
Date: 1995/06/17
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
> Andrew Muir wrote:
> >More importantly, are they at the *right* speed? I've only heard a snatch of
>>an >acoustic song & Dylan sounded stoned as against very, very, very stoned.
> >Astonishing clarity, but a tad fast methinks........
>
> Concerning the electric set:
>
> I haven't done any serious research on the different speeds but I can say
> that the speed is closer to the "Like A Rolling Stone" CD bootleg than the
> recent "A Week In The Life". Before having the opportunity to hear the
> Bootleg Series promo tape, I was convinced the correct speed for this material
> was the 'slowed down' version released on "A Week In The Life". It sounded
> more natural to me. However, compare the Manchester tracks on this CD to the
> others, from Sheffield etc. The latter run faster. So why does no one complain
> about those? My own personal opinion now is that the Bootleg Series promo
> represents the true speed.
You may well be right....I haven't had a chance to re-appraise/listen to more
than a few lines. If you are I prefer the "slowed down" speed!
>
> And does the speed Dylan was taking at the time have any bearing on this
> discussion?
I didn't mean to imply this, I meant his *singing* voice didn't sound stoned
enough. On the long-dragged-out-dropping-off end to lines.
Anyway, thanks to you & John Perry I'm feeling much happier about the prospect
of sitting down & listening to the tapes. Tonight if I've time....tomorrow at
the latest ....I'll post again then.
>
> Ben Taylor
> --
> Leeds, England
> bptaylor@laguna.demon.co.uk - http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~n246543
>
>
--
Andrew Muir
Subject: BOB DYLAN: The 60's On CD [part 1]
From: rsweener@aol.com (RSweener)
Date: 1996/03/15
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
BOB DYLAN: The 60's On CD
This is a reference to the Bob Dylan material of the 1960's
that has been documented on cd, aside from legitimate releases.
(This is not concerned with sideman performances, film soundtracks,
or interviews). These titles are what I believe to be the best
sources, based on info I have gathered from various ftp files,
rec.music.dylan postings, inquiries I have made to people on
the net, and help from EDLIS. This is updated to include new
releases in the past year. Hope it will be useful to you.
-
It is organized according to numbers assigned by Krogsgaard
in his reference book, _Positively Bob Dylan_.
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Positively Bob Dylan: A Thirty Year Discography,
Concert & Recording Session Guide, 1960-1991
by Michael Krogsgaard.
Ann Arbor, MI:
Popular Culture, 1991. 498 p.
ISBN: 1560750006
LCCN: 89-92336
-
Note: Krogsgarrd #'s with asterisks are not actually in
Krogsgaard. I made them up, using a number I thought would
place the material in appropriate context.
A SAMPLE ENTRY:
_____________________________________________________
[025] Carnegie Hall Hootenanny Sept 1962 5 songs
Bob Dylan's Dream Vol. 2 [021,025,045,096] 2 of 5 songs
_____________________________________________________
The first number in brackets is the number assigned by
Krogsgaard for that performance. To its right, the identity
and date of the performance is given. This is followed by
the number of circulating *unreleased* songs in that performance.
To the right of the cd title in brackets are Krogs. numbers
of the other performances that are included to some degree
on that cd. Use them as a cross-reference. To the right
of these brackets, I give the number of the unreleased songs
that are included on the disc. If no number of songs is
given here, it indicates the disc contains all the unreleased
songs.
Regarding two cds in particular:
The Lonesome Sparrow Sings [Black Nite Crash]
and
Thin Wild Mercury Music [Spank]
My information for Lonesome Sparrow is incomplete, but
I do know that there are three unreleased tracks on
Thin Wild that are not on Sparrow, and at least one
unreleased track on Sparrow that is not on Thin Wild.
Otherwise, they are very similar, but you will need
both if you want it all. They are both quality discs.
BOB DYLAN: The 60's On CD
_____________________________________________________
[002] East Orange Tape Feb/Mar 1961 10 songs
The Dylan's Root [002, 010]
Skeleton SKCD 1001
_____________________________________________________
[004] Minnesota Party Tape May 1961 25 songs
The Minnesota Tapes [004,014]
Wanted Man
_____________________________________________________
[007] First Gaslight Tape Sept 1961 6 songs
Rare Live Performances in the Sixties [007, 022, 030]
Vol. I-III, The History Series [3 CDs]
Magic Music CD 31008
OR:
[007]
Documents of Bob Dylan [007, 022, 030]
4 CD's
Magic Music CD 31001, 31002, 31003, 31004
_____________________________________________________
[009.1] Folk Song Festival Oct 29, 1961 2 songs
Sings For His Supper [009.1, and Nov. 17 '93, late show]
_____________________________________________________
[010] Carnegie Chapter Hall Nov 1961 7 songs
The Dylan's Root [002,010]
_____________________________________________________
[014] Minnesota Hotel Tape Dec 1961 26 songs
The Minnesota Tapes [004, 014]
_____________________________________________________
[015] Leeds Music Demos Jan/Feb 1962 9 songs
The Bootleg [015, 019] all but "Man In The Street"
_____________________________________________________
[017.05*] Cynthia Gooding Radio Show Mar 62 11 songs
Folksinger's Choice [017.05*]
Yellow Dog - YD 017
_____________________________________________________
[019, 023, 027, 028.1(11/1/62), 029, 032] Columbia Studios
Freewheelin' Sessions 1962 various unreleased
The Bootleg [011, 015, 019] has 2 unreleased
The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan Outtakes [019, 023, 027, 028.1, 029, 032]
Vigaton
Subject: BOB DYLAN: The 60's On CD [part 2]
From: rsweener@aol.com (RSweener)
Date: 1996/03/15
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
_____________________________________________________
[030] Second Gaslight Tape Late 1962 17 songs
Rare Live Performances in the Sixties [007, 022, 030]
OR:
[030]
Documents of Bob Dylan [007, 022, 030]
_____________________________________________________
[031] Broadside Office Late 1962 4 songs
Broadside [020, 031, 037, 064] 3 of 4 songs
_____________________________________________________
[035] Witmark Demos 1962-1964 38 unreleased*
*note these 38 includes a possible demo, Percy's Song,
not listed in Krogsgaard.
The Witmark Years [035, 070]
Capricorn
OR:
Through A Bullet of Light [035, 070]
Note: The Witmark Years has the advantage
of arranging the material chronologically.
Opinions of sound quality preferences tends
to vary, even from track to track.
_____________________________________________________
[037] Broadside Office Jan/Feb 1963 5 songs
Broadside [020, 026, 037, 064]
_____________________________________________________
[038] The Banjo Tape Jan or Feb 1963 12 songs
The Banjo Tape & NYC Town Hall [038, 041]
Yellow Dog YD 058
OR:
Dr. Zimmerman's Original Old Time Hootenany [038, 056, 064]
Archive Producions AP 89003 missing "Masters Of War"
_____________________________________________________
[039] Skip Weshner Show Feb or Mar 1963 3 songs
Songs That Made Him Famous [026, 039, 082.1]
OR:
Paranoid Blues [021, 026, 039, 064]
_____________________________________________________
[041] Town Hall April 1963 14 songs
Bob Dylan "In Concert" [041, 061]
Capricorn Records Col. Cl-2303 Cs-9102
CAREFULL: DO NOT CONFUSE with "In Concert" , Starlife, ST 361
OR:
The Banjo Tape & NYC Town Hall [038, 041] first 9 songs
_____________________________________________________
[044] Oscar Brand Show April 1963 2 songs
Before The Flood And After The Fire [026, 044, 046]
_____________________________________________________
[045] The Bear May 1963 7 songs
Bob Dylan's Dream Vol. 2 [021,025,045,096]
_____________________________________________________
[046] Studs Terkel's Wax Museum May 1963 7 songs
Stud's Terkel's Wax Museum [046]
Yellow Dog YD 057
_____________________________________________________
[056] Forest Hills Aug 1963 2 songs
Dr. Zimmerman's Original Old Time Hootenany [038, 056, 064]
_____________________________________________________
[057] March On Washington Aug 1963 2 songs
Broadside [020, 026, 037, 064]
_____________________________________________________
[059] Columbia Studios Autumn 1964 8 unreleased
The Emmet Grogan Acetates [059, 070, 072] 5 of 8 unreleased
Capricorn CR-2055
_____________________________________________________
[061] Carnegie Hall Oct 1963 4 unreleased
Bob Dylan "In Concert" [041, 061]
_____________________________________________________
[064] CBC TV Studio Feb 1964 6 songs
Paranoid Blues [021, 026, 039, 064]
see also
Dr. Zimmerman's Original Old Time Hootenany [038, 056, 064]
_____________________________________________________
[070] Columbia Studios Jun 1964 11 unreleased (8 not in Krogs)
The Emmet Grogan Acetates [059, 070, 072] 10 of 11 unreleased
AND:
The Witmark Years [035, 070] 1 of 11 unreleased
NOTE: Witmark has "I'll Keep It Mine" not found on Grogan
_____________________________________________________
[072] Newport Folk Festival July 1964 2 songs (one not in Krogs)
The Emmet Grogan Acetates [059, 070, 072] 1 song
(Has "All I Really Want To Do" not listed in Krogsgaard)
_____________________________________________________
[075] Philharmonic Hall Halloween 1964 19 songs
Bob Dylan - Live in New York 1964 [075] first 12 songs
Document Records DR 001 CD.
or
Black Panther BPCD021 1989
AND:
Live in Newport [075, 093, 106] last 7 songs
Document Records, DR 004 CD, 1988
or
Black Panther - BPCD 023
ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE:
"It's Alright" label? is a 2cd set of just 10-31-64.
As an alternative to the
Subject: BOB DYLAN: The 60's On CD [part 3]
From: rsweener@aol.com (RSweener)
Date: 1996/03/15
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
_____________________________________________________
[108] Columbia Studio July 1965 2 unreleased
"From A Buick 6"
"Desolation Row"
The Lonesome Sparrow Sings [various] has "Buick"
OR:
Thin Wild Mercury Music [various] has "Buick"
OR:
1965 REVISITED 14 CD BOX has both songs
_____________________________________________________
[113] Forest Hills Aug 1965 15 songs
1965 REVISITED 14 CD BOX
_____________________________________________________
[116] Columbia Studio Oct 1965 2 unreleased
The Lonesome Sparrow Sings [various]
OR:
Thin Wild Mercury Music [various]
OR:
1965 REVISITED 14 CD BOX
_____________________________________________________
[121.1*] Berkeley Dec 1965 9 songs
Long Distance Operator [121.1]
Wanted Man Music - WMM 001
OR:
1965 REVISITED 14 CD BOX
_____________________________________________________
[122.1] Columbia Studio Jan 1966 2 unreleased
The Lonesome Sparrow Sings [various]
OR:
Thin Wild Mercury Music [various]
_____________________________________________________
[124] Columbia Studio Jan 1966 1 unreleased
The Lonesome Sparrow Sings [various]
OR:
Thin Wild Mercury Music [various]
_____________________________________________________
[132.1] Denver Hotel Tape Mar 1966 ? songs
7 Years Of Bad Luck [032, 078.1, 132.1, 181] 3 songs
_____________________________________________________
[133] Melbourne April 1966 10 songs
Melbourne [remastered] [133] 9 of 10 songs
Wanted Man WWM 023.
(Do not want WWM 007)
Disc and Spine Title: Melbourne
Cover title: Bob Dylan in "Melbourne, Australia"
Wanted Man has replaced their own
"Melbourne, Australia" (WWM 007) title with this!
_____________________________________________________
[144] Dublin May 1966 6 songs
A Hard Rains Gonna Fall [046, 144]
[Drive]
OR:
The Live Dylan [144]
Adelphi Theatre, Dublin, May 5, 1966 [144]
Bulldog Records - BGCD 008
or
Black Panther BP 073
_____________________________________________________
[146] Bristol May 1966 15 songs
Get Loud [146]
Cuttlefish 013,014 (2 CDs)
_____________________________________________________
[147.1*] Odean (Birmingham) May 1966 1 song
A Week In The Life [147.1*, 148, 149.1*, 151]
Disc title: In 1966 There Was
Gold Standard, RAZO14, [1994]
Matrix: B319 GREEN
_____________________________________________________
[148] Odean (Liverpool) May 1966 4 songs
A Week In The Life [147.1*, 148, 149.1*, 151] 3 of 4 songs
_____________________________________________________
[148.1*] Leicester May 1966 ? songs
Leicester '66 [148.1*]
Spine title: Bob Dylan Leicester 66 BD 151966
[No label], 2761-015, [1993]
_____________________________________________________
[149.1*] Sheffiel May 1966 2 songs
A Week In The Life [147.1*, 148, 149.1*, 151]
_____________________________________________________
[150] Manchester (soundcheck) May 1966 4 tracks
Before The Crash Vol 2 [150, 151, 154] 1 song (Tom Thumb)
Music With Love, 1992
Matrix: MWL 007
_____________________________________________________
[151] Manchester May 1966 13 songs
Guitars Kissing and the Contemporary Fix [151]
_____________________________________________________
[152] Edinburgh May 1966 15 songs
Pill Box [152]
2 CDs
TNT Studio, TNT-940157, TNT-940158, [1994]
_____________________________________________________
[154] Royal Albert Hall May 26, 1966 6 songs
Before The Crash Vol 2 [150, 151, 154]
_____________________________________________________
[155] Royal Albert Hall May 27, 1966 7 songs
Before The Crash Vol 1 [150, 151, 154]
Music With Love , 1992
Matrix: MWL001 17619 01
_____________________________________________________
[162] Big Pink April-Oct 1967
The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 1
Scorpio B-100
AND:
The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 2:
Scorpio BD-200-3
AND:
After The C