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Subject: Get it:-) The Emmet Grogan Acetates
From: "Aaron" (Aaron)
Date: 1995/07/20
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
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BOB DYLAN * THE EMMETT GROGAN ACETATES CAPRICORN
ALL TRACKS "ANOTHER SIDE OF BOB DYLAN SESSIONS" RECORDED
JUNE 9,1964 EXCEPT TRACK 8 RECORDED AT THE NEWPORT
FESTIVAL NEWPORT RHODE ISLAND JULY 26,1964
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61:41 1. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU [4:29]
2. CHIMES OF FREEDOM [7:21]
3. MOTORPSYCHO NIGHTMARE [4:35]
4. MR. TAMBOURINE MAN [6:52]
5. ALL I REALLY WANT TO DO [4:33]
6. BLACK CROW BLUES [3:46]
7. I SHALL BE FREE [5:21]
8. ALL I REALLY WANT TO DO (LIVE) [4:03]
9. DENISE [2:57]
10. CALIFORNIA [3:05]
11. BOB DYLAN'S NEW ORLEANS RAG 1 [1:03]
12. EAST LORADO BLUES [3:09]
13. THAT'S ALL RIGHT MAMA /SALLY FREE AND EASY [3:13}
14. NEW ORLEANS RAG 2 [3:21]
15. HERO BLUES [3:44]
CAT.NO.: CR2055
************ http://www.tecc.co.uk/magiccom/magic.html ************
Subject: Re: The Emmett Grogan Acetates
From: billp61@earth.execpc.com (Bill Pagel)
Date: 1995/07/23
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson) wrote:
>Below is a very rough speculative listing of Capricorn's
>The Emmett Grogan Acetates. Has anyone seen or bought this CD?
>Are we to expect a second CD of the 1965 items from the Grogan
>acetates?
>I have never had tracks 9-15 on tapes of the Grogan acetates, have others?
>Would anyone care to post a little something on the Grogan acetates for
>readers new to them?
>The Emmett Grogan Acetates / Bob Dylan [9 June - 26 July
>1964]
>Capricorn, CR-2055, [1995]
>Total Running Time: 61:41
>1. I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)
>(Co. 82218) (4:29) [9] [B3]
>2. Chimes Of Freedom (Co. 82219) (7:21) [4] [A4]
>3. Motorpsycho Nightmare (Co. 82220) (4:35) [7] [B1]
>4. Mr. Tambourine Man [with Jack Elliot] (Co. 82221) (6:52)
>[?]
>5. All I Really Want To Do (Co. 82222) (4:33) [1] [A1]
>6. Black Crow Blues (Co. 82223) (3:46) [2] [A2]
>7. I Shall Be Free No. 10 (Co. 82224) (5:21) [5] [A5]
>8. All I Really Want To Do (4:03) [1]
>9. Denise (2:57) [13]
>10. California (3:05) [12] [E]
>11. Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag #1 (1:03)
>12. East Laredo Blues (3:09)
>13. That's All Right Mama /Sally Free And Easy (3:13)
>14. Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag #2 (3:21)
>15. Hero Blues (3:44)
>(1-7, 9-15) Columbia Studios, New York City, New York, 9
>June 1964. [070] Another Side Of Bob Dylan (1964) outtakes.
>Track 10: Witmark & Sons Demos, New York City 1962-1964.
>[035]. Cf T-159.
>(8) Newport Folk Festival, Freebody Park, Newport, Rhode
>Island, New York, 26 July 1964. [072] Released partially in
>the film Festival (1967).
>(1-3, 5-7) Another Side Of Bob Dylan, Col. CL-2193, CS-
>8993, released 8 August 1964. [073]
Tracks 9-15 on the speculative listing of Capricorn's CD, "The Emmett
Grogan Acetates", were not taken off the Grogan acetates. If these
songs are on the CD, then more than likely they are from previously
existing tapes. I have not seen the CD and do not have any first hand
knowledge of what may or may not be on it. I do, however, know what
is on the Grogan acetates. The acetates which were given to Emmett
Grogan by Bob Dylan, and were purchased from Max Grogan, Emmett
Grogan's son, in January of this year. Emmett Grogan was instrumental
in organizing the Diggers, in San Francisco in the sixties. Bob Dylan
dedicated Street Legal to Emmett Grogan after his death.
The following songs appear on the Grogan acetates:
Acetate 1 ("Another Side of Bob Dylan" sessions, June 9, 1964)
I Don't Believe You
Chimes of Freedom
Motorpsycho Nitemare
Mr. Tambourine Man
All I Really Want to Do
Black Crow Blues
I Shall Be Free No. 10
Acetate 2 (Newport Folk Festival, July 26, 1964)
All I Really Want to Do
Acetate 3 (Highway 61 Revisited sessions, July 29-30, 1965)
Tombstone Blues
Lunatic Princess (From a Buick 6)
Acetate 4 (Highway 61 Revisited sessions, July-August, 1965)
Queen Jane Approximately
Black Dalli Rue (Positively 4th Street)
Acetate 5 (Highway 61 Revisited sessions, July-August, 1965)
Desolation Row
Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues
It Take a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry
Highway 61 Revisited
Tombstone Blues
Acetate 6 (Highway 61 Revisited sessions, July-August, 1965)
From a Buick 6
Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window
Queen Jane Approximately
Ballad of a Thin Man
Positively 4th Street
Subject: Re: Grossman/Grogan acetates
From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Date: 1995/09/06
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Chris Friedrich (cfriedri@WELCHLINK.WELCH.JHU.EDU) wrote:
: A year or so ago someone posted a note that the "Grossman
: acetates" were going to start circulating. Could these be the Grogan
: acetates which have just been booted, or is there another set of acetates
: to look for?
That had never crossed my mind. Gossman rumours were from very unreliable
sources, I think you have cracked their source!
Craig
--
No, and it ain't in the rumors people're tellin' you
And it ain't in the pimple-lotion people are sellin' you
And it ain't in no cardboard-box house
Or down any movie star's blouse...
Subject: Re: Grossman/Grogan acetates
From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Date: 1995/09/06
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
I am confused about what has and has not been said about the
CD The Emmett Grogan Acetates, so below are a few bits and
pieces from my rough tentative notes, all of which may be
obvious, but do correct any errors you see!
Craig
--
The Emmett Grogan Acetates / Bob Dylan [9 June - 26 July
1964]
Capricorn, CR-2055, [1995]
[Made in Australia]
Total Running Time: 61:41
1. I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)
(Co. 82218) (4:29) [9] [B3]
2. Chimes Of Freedom (Co. 82219) (7:21) [4] [A4]
3. Motorpsycho Nightmare (Co. 82220) (4:35) [7] [B1]
4. Mr. Tambourine Man [with Jack Elliot] (Co. 82221) (6:52)
[?]
5. All I Really Want To Do (Co. 82222) (4:33) [1] [A1]
6. Black Crow Blues (Co. 82223) (3:46) [2] [A2]
7. I Shall Be Free No. 10 (Co. 82224) (5:21) [5] [A5]
8. All I Really Want To Do (4:03) [1]
9. Denise (2:57) [13]
10. California (3:05) [12] [E]
11. Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag #1 (1:03) [13]
12. East Laredo Blues (3:09) [12]
13. That's All Right Mama /Sally Free And Easy (3:13) [15]
14. Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag #2 (3:21) [13]
15. Hero Blues (3:44) [16]
(1-7, 9-10) Columbia Studios, New York City, New York, 9
June 1964. [070] Another Side Of Bob Dylan (1964) outtakes.
Track 10: Witmark & Sons Demos, New York City 1962-1964.
[035]. Cf T-159.
(8) Newport Folk Festival, Freebody Park, Newport, Rhode
Island, New York, July 1964. [072] Not the 24 July 1965
Workshop performance released in the film Festival (1967).
[2/106]
(11-12) Columbia Studios, New York City, New York, Autumn
1963. [059] The Times They Are A-Changin' (1964) outtakes,
not Another Side Of Bob Dylan (1964) outtakes, 9 June 1964.
For track 11 cf T-159. For track 12 cf T-301...
(13-15) Columbia Studios, New York City, New York, Autumn
1963. [059] The Times They Are A-Changin' (1964) outtakes,
not Another Side Of Bob Dylan outtakes, 9 June 1964. Cf T-
159...
(1-3, 5-7) Another Side Of Bob Dylan, Col. CL-2193, CS-
8993, released 8 August 1964. [073]
Parts of the The Times They Are A-Changin' (1964) and
Another Side Of Bob Dylan (1964) sessions, with a song from
the 1964 Newport Folk Festival. Tracks 9-15 were not among
the generally circulating Grogan Acetates. Will the 1965
Grogan Acetates tracks make up another CD?
billp61@earth.execpc.com (Bill Pagel):
"The acetates were given to Emmett Grogan by Bob Dylan, and
were purchased from Max Grogan, Emmett Grogan's son, in
January of 1995. Emmett Grogan was instrumental in
organizing the Diggers, in San Francisco in the sixties. Bob
Dylan dedicated Street Legal to Emmett Grogan after his
death."
The acetates are of course very close to what appeared on
Another Side Of Bob Dylan (1964). In a couple of cases you
hear the producer asking Dylan if he's ready and perhaps a
count-in, and there is more chat...
Subject: Choosing an Emmet Grogan Acetate CD
From: Jeff
Date: 1996/10/25
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
There are now two CDs documenting this recording:
The Emmet Grogan Acetates label Capricorn
The Emmet Grogan Acetates & Other Rarities label Gunsmoke Records
These each feature in excellent quality the same The Emmet Grogan Acetates
which are Another Side of Bob Dylan outtakes from 6/9/64 and a song from
7/26/64 Newport Folk Festival.
They both contain:
I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)
Chimes Of Freedom
Motorpsycho Nitemare
Mr. Tambourine Man
All I Really Want To Do
Black Crow Blues
I Shall Be Free
All I Really Want To Do 7/26/64
The filler for the Capricorn label is more outtakes from the same session.
Most of these do not appear elsewhere on CD (a few (*) are on The Genuine
Bootleg Series:
Denise Denise
California
Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag*
East Laredo Blues
That's All Right Mama*
Sally Free And Easy*
Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag
Hero Blues
The filler for the Gunsmoke Records label is a mixture. Some can be found on
the 14CD box set 1965 Revisted (*) or on 2CD Sings the Body Electric (#):
From Retro Rock Show No. 4 featuring D. A. Pennebaker also interspersed with
radio announcements and commercials and songs by Baez and Donovan excerpted
from Don't Look Back.
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right 5/6/65 *
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue 5/8/65 *
Talkin' World War 3 Blues 5/10/65
From PA tape:
Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues 5/20/66
One Too Many Mornings 5/20/66 #
From compilation album "Disco Teen '66" Columbia DS 155 alternate mix slightly
longer
Positively Fourth Street (?)
The Capricorn label offers more CD consistency in using its filler. However
the Gunsmoke Records is a recent release and may be more readily available
now.
EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
Subject: Re: Emmet Grogan Acetate
From: Jeff
Date: 1996/11/24
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:10:02 +0000
>From: Brian Kelly
>Subject: Emmet Grogan Acetate
>
>Does anybody know if the studio tracks on the brilliant Emmet Grogan Acetate
are
>in fact the released versions found on the Another Side... album? And
>what is the source of the live version of All I Really Want To Do? Thanks
>in advance.
>
The tracks from Emmet Grogan Acetate are reported to include:
Studio - alternates, different verses, unedited producer talk, unedited songs,
longer fadeouts
All I Really Want To Do live from 7/26/64
Refer to ISIS issue 63 for an article on Emmet Grogan, issue 60 for a review
of the tape,and issue 64 for a review of the CD.
EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
Subject: Grogan acetates ultimately?
From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Date: 1997/01/27
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Presumably tracks 9-15 & 18 of As Good As It Gets - The
Ultimate Emmett Grogan Acetates were not Emmett Grogan
acetates?
As Good As It Gets - The Ultimate Emmett Grogan Acetates /
Bob Dylan [1963 - 1965]
2 CDs
Diamonds In Your Ear, DIYE 64, DIYE 65, 1993 [i.e. 1996]
Matrix: [none], DIJE 65
9. Denise [13]
10. California [12] [E]
11. Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag Pt.I [13]
12. East Laredo Blues [12]
13. That's All Right Mama / Sally Free And Easy [15]
14. New Orleans Rag Pt.II [Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag] [13]
15. Hero Blues [16]
18. Positively 4th Street [Black Dalli Rue]
(9-10) Columbia Studios, New York City, New York, 9 June
1964. [070] (Columbia Studio A) Another Side Of Bob Dylan
(1964) outtakes. Track 10: Witmark & Sons Demos, New York
City 1962-1964. [035]. Cf T-159 and [Take 2].
(8) Newport Folk Festival, Freebody Park, Newport, Rhode
Island, New York, 26 July 1964. [072] Not the 24 July 1965
Workshop performance released in the film Festival (1967).
[2/106]
(11-12) Columbia Studios, New York City, New York, Autumn
1963. [059] The Times They Are A-Changin' (1964) outtakes,
not Another Side Of Bob Dylan (1964) outtakes, 9 June 1964.
For track 11 cf T-159. For track 12 cf T-301...
(13-15) Columbia Studios, New York City, New York, Autumn
1963. [059] The Times They Are A-Changin' (1964) outtakes,
not Another Side Of Bob Dylan outtakes, 9 June 1964. Cf T-
159... For track 14 cf T-393.
(18) Columbia Studio A, New York City, New York, 29 July
1965. [107] From the compilation album Disco Teen '66
(Columbia DS 155) alternate mix, slightly longer.
Subject: As Good As It Gets
From: Matthew Zuckerman
Date: 1997/07/15
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Anybody got this 2 CD set from Diamonds In Your Ears featuring the complete
>Emmett Grogan Acetates (1963-65) omitting only a take of Tombstone Blues
>and the Lunatic Princess take from the Genuine Bootleg Series Take 2?
>
>Crazy Joe says "recording quality is superb, clear cutting definition, full
>dynamics and tonal separation". Sounds like a must-buy. I'd be grateful for
>comments.
This CD is available in Tokyo (or at least it was a few months ago), but at
an incredible price. It was 7,600 yen the last time I saw it. Still, it's
true what Crazy Joe said about the sound quality.
Matthew
_________________________________
Matthew Zuckerman
From: howells@best.com (John Howells)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: "As Good As It Gets" - what are these tracks?
Date: 3 Nov 1997 06:59:19 -0800
ragdndirty@aol.com (RagdNDirty) writes:
<Regarding the Emmet Grogan bootleg, "As Good As It Gets,"
< [Diamonds In Your Ear] --
<Among the tracks included in this boot are the following:
<Studio Sessions 1965
<Queen Jane Approximately :
< Positively 4th Street :
< Desolation Row :
<Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues
< :It Takes A Lot To Laugh :
< Highway 61 Revisited:
<Tombstone Blues :
<From A Buick 6:
<Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window :
<Queen Jane Approximately:
<Ballad Of A Thin Man :
< Positively 4th Street
<Can anyone (perhaps someone who owns this) tell me what these
<tracks are? Different mono or stereo mixes of the released tracks
<perhaps? Surely they are not outtakes, right?
<Any details appreciated.
No, they are not outtakes. They are essentially mono rough mixes,
similar to those found on the test pressing booted as "Highway 61
Revisited Again". Some songs, if I remember correctly, are unfaded
and have counted intros.
--
John Howells
howells@bigfoot.com
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