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From: hughe@hhcl.com (Hugh Eaton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: new boots
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:59:48 GMT
Two new releases seen on the street today
Acetates on the Tracks vol 1, 61-65
A contender for the Now Thatıs What I Call Hard To Find vol 37 award for
deceased equine flagellation. A variety of tracks inc Wichita, Milk Cow
Blues, You Donıt Have To Do That, Number one, Lunatic Princess etc. God
knows whatıs on subsequent volumes, but youıve probably got them already.
The dealer said he was selling it half price.
Blood On The Tapes, Columbus Records, Copyright Sono Music.
Label is pastiche of Columbia, with some funny notes about blank packaging.
Source A&R studios, New York 1974.
16 Sept. If You See Her, Lilly Rosemary, Call Letter Blues, Idiot Wind,
Tangled up in Blue. 17 Sept: Youıre a Big Girl Now, Shelter from the
Storm. 19 Sept: If you See her, Tangled up in Blue, Up To Me, Idiot
Wind. Sound Ex/Vg. I donıt have The Bootleg Series or Heylin to hand, so
I canıt say whatıs new or where it has been released before. Perhaps
someone else could do that? Yeah, I know, EDLIS needs photocopies.
From: hughe@hhcl.com (Hugh Eaton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: new boots
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:48:00 GMT
Well, having now refered to Heylins Recording Sessions I get the following:
16 Sept:
If You See Her Say Hello - circulating
Lilly Rosemary - listed as existing but not circulating. New?
Call Letter Blues - on Bootleg series.
Idiot Wind - not listed in Heylin. New or wrong date.
Tangled up in Blue - Bootleg Series
17 Sept:
Shelter not listed in Heylin. New or wrong date
19 Sept:
If You see Her: not listed. New or wrong date
Tangled: not listed. New/wrong
Up to Me: listed as from 23-25 Sept sessions
Idiot Wind: Bootleg Series.
I havenıt compared this CD with other sources yet, so either there are
some new finds or itıs a compilation of existing material. Nice though.
From: Lars Farena
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Blood on the Tapes
Date: 30 May 1997 02:50:26 -0700
In article <5mk31m$c5k@newslink.runet.edu>, rstraw@runet.edu says...
>
>Where would I get a copy of this Blood on the Tapes CD? Thanks.
>
Sadly there aren't any around at the moment. I've heard the CDs
from the first pressing of this album are all faulty. A second pressing
is not likely to be available for 4-5 weeks.
Lars
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:04:29 +0900
From: "love-0nl@wellmet.or.jp"
Subject: Blood On The Tapes
When I went to see the Chieftains concert in Tokyo last night,
a friend of mine gave me a brand new bootleg CD:
Bob Dylan Blood On The Tapes
Columbus : COL 2-1070 (SONO Music Entertainment)
If You See Her Say Hello ("The Bootleg Series") Sep 16
Lily Rosemary And The Jack Of Hearts (Test Pressing) Sep 16
Call Letter Blues ("The Bootleg Series") Sep 16
Idiot Wind (Test Pressing) Sep 16
Tangled Up In Blue ("The Bootleg Series") Sep 16
You're A Big Girl Now (Test Pressing) Sep 17
Shelter From The Storm ("Jerry Maguire") Sep 17
If You See Her Say Hello (Test Pressing) Sep 19
Tangled Up In Blue (Test Pressing) Sep 19
Up To Me ("Biograph") Sep 19
Idiot Wind ("The Bootleg Series") Sep 19
"BOTT" outtakes in chronological order. As for the songs on
the test pressing, the quality is better than the previous releases
("Vastly Original Work..." and etc.), but much hissier and muddier
than the widely circulating DAT copies from the actual test pressing
LP. Bootleggers are not good at getting excellent tapes.
Masato Kato
Love Minus Zero/No Limit
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 15:38:19 -0700
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: blood on the tapes
Nick Davias wrote:
> does anyone have any information on the following boot cd
> (i.e. track listing, sound quality, etc)? is it worthwhile
> purchasing?? any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dylan, Bob: Blood On The Tapes
> (Studio Recordings 09/16/74) Diverse COL 2-107 1CD
This CD makes a nice companion to Blood on the Tracks by compiling all the
available tracks left off of the official album but found on various other
offical releases and nonofficial sources. Some may enjoy this version more
than the official release. Quality ranges from outstanding to excellent.
Quality on some songs has improved over some of the previous bootleg CD
versions. Label is "Columbus", matrix number is is COL 2-1070.
If You See Her, Say Hello 9/16/74
Lily, Rosemary And The Jack Of Hearts 9/16/74
Call Letter Blues 9/16/74
Idiot Wind 9/16/74
Tangled Up In Blue 9/16/74
You're A Big Girl Now 9/17/74
Shelter From The Storm 9/17/74
If You See Her, Say Hello 9/19/74
Tangled Up In Blue 9/19/74
Up to Me 9/19/74
Idiot Wind 9/19/74
EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
From: Ed Ricardo
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Blood On The Tapes...
Date: 13 Jun 1997 12:35:38 -0700
An informed EDLIS source tells us:
> Unfortunately the first pressing of this disc has suffered from a large
> batch of faulty pressings which show up as blemishes in the aluminium
> coating.
> A second pressing will replace any faulty copies through your usual
> channels.
From: Lars Farena
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Blood On The Tapes 2nd pressing available
Date: 26 Jul 1997 05:29:39 -0700
I'm very pleased to learn that the second pressing of Blood On The Tapes
(Columbus, 1997) is now available. This should be readily obtainable from
your usual source of imports/rarities.
These are out-takes from the original Blood On The Tracks New York sessions
in excellent quality. The insert contains the text of the Grammy-award winning
sleeve notes by Pete Hamill, sadly now omitted by Columbia from the official
CD packaging. Perhaps they noticed that Hamill's quote
If you're makin' love to her, kiss her for the kid,
Who always has respected her, for doing what she did.
had been replaced in the released Minnesota version by
If you get close to her, kiss her once for me
I always have respected her for busting out and gettin' free.
Enjoy!
Lars
From: Alan Fraser
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Blood On the Tracks NY Sessions
Date: 30 Jul 1997 03:15:12 -0700
In article <870239168.14151@dejanews.com>, paulloeb@richnet.net says...
>
>In article <869994824.317796@mn8>,
> Lars Brundin wrote:
>>
>> Ah, y'know, MOST of the original NY sessions are available on Biograph
>> and Bootleg Series - legally.
>
>But these sets do not include what Dylan chose as best.
>
>Tangled Up In Blue is a different take than what Dylan chose for original
>Blood on the Tracks.
>You're a Big Girl Now on Biograph is the same take but a different mix
>than what Dylan had for original Blood on the Tracks.
>Idiot Wind is a different take than what Dylan chose for original Blood on
>the Tracks.
>If You See Her Say Hello is a different take than what Dylan chose for
>original Blood on the Tracks.
>Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts, as on original Blood on the Tracks,
>has not been released.
>
>All released New York alternates are inferior to the ones Dylan originally
>chose.
This can be confirmed by checking the tracks on Blood On The Tracks,
Biograph and the Bootleg Series with the take information in Michael
Krogsgaard's Recording Sessions article in issue 55 of The Telegraph.
It illustrates the desirability of getting an out-takes album such
as Blood On The Tapes in order to hear Bob's original intentions.
Alan
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:48:20 -0500
From: Paul Bullen
Subject: Re: Blood On The Tapes Info Needed [+ Blood on the Outtakes]
>>Besides what is on Biograph & The Bootleg Series for outtakes of BOTT, what
>> else is on the boot CD Blood On The Tapes?? I was in NYC last night, and I
>> noticed that this is now being repacked under a different title then "Blood
>>On The Tapes".
>>--nak300@aol.com (NAK 300)
>Blood On The Tapes is from the New York sessions, September, 1974, and
>contains the original takes used on the BOTT "test pressing", plus
>several more out-takes. None of the replaced BOTT versions have been
>officially released - You're A Big Girl Now on Biograph was remixed
>and Idiot Wind on The Bootleg Series is an alternate take.
>Alan Fraser
I have something called Blood on the Outtakes. I believe it was made by the
CD-R method, whatever that is exactly. It is a reddish color with no
indication of who put it together or when. The paper looks like it was
printed on a home printer. There is a discussion of the contents on the
back of the front cover. I think this particular edition is quite recent
(someone has made them recently and is selling them currently). It is 69
and half minutes long. It has the following cuts:
Tangled up in Blue
You're a Big Girl Now
Idiot Wind
Rosemary, Lily & the Jack of Hearts
If You See Her Say Hello
Shelter from the Storm
-----------------
Up to Me
Tangled Up in Blue [again]
Call Letter Blues
Idiot Wind [again]
If You See Her Say Hello [again]
I believe the last five cuts (below the hyphen line) are the ones available
on Biograph and the non-bootleg Bootleg Series and some of the others might
be on other collections, like Genuine Bootleg Series or Hard to Find (I'm
not sure). Not all of the songs on Blood on the Tracks are on here and
there are outtakes here that were not represented on Blood on the Tracks
(Up to Me and Call Letter Blues).
I don't mind the fact that this collection is redundant with Biograph and
Bootleg Series. It allows me a chance to hear certain songs in different
circumstances. In particular "Call Letter Blues" and "Up to Me" are good to
hear more often.
I have never really enjoyed Blood on the Tracks. For some reason I have
enjoyed listening this CD more than the official release. But the sound
quality is not as good. I don't mind this, as long as it is not worse than
other bootleg releases of the same material. Does anyone know? The sound is
not bad as far as bootlegs go. It is just that these are studio recordings.
I seem now to have an appreciation of the songs from the Blood on the
Tracks sessions, but only when I hear them anywhere other than on the
original album. I like the 1978 tour rehearsals (as found on Darkness at
the Break of Noon, for example) and live performances (e.g., the Simple
Twist of Fate at Lisle, Illinois a few days ago).
Does anyone know if the quality of Blood on the Outtakes is lower than it
should be? Should I be looking for another bootleg CD to replace it?
--Paul B.
From: Eric Moore
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Blood On The?????????
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:07:07 -0500
I have neither Blood on the Tapes nor Blood on the Outtracks, however I
have seen Blood on the Outtracks at a store and it is a CD-R by Magic
Mushroom. I think it is a digital CD-R copy of Blood on the Tapes. It
has a computer printout color insert which includes a quote (I believe
from Crazy Joe) about Blood on the Tapes. Magic Mushroom did the same
thing (Make CD-R copy) of the Renaldo & Clara Soundtrack.
From: wdevil@aa.net (James B)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Blood On The?????????
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:17:08 -0800
> What is the difference between Blood On The Tapes and Blood On The Outtakes.
> If one has Blood On The Tapes is Blood On The Outtakes worth picking up?
I have them both: they have the same material except "Blood On The Tapes"
sounds much better.
Message-ID: <3502701E.3910@musik.uu.se>
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 11:17:02 +0100
From: Eyolf Ostrem
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Blood on the Tapes?
w evans wrote:
>
> Just saw this cd, the cover is just like the Blood On The Tracks
> cover except that the Purple part with the words in it is blue.
> I'm hoping someone will tell me how this one is, I looked in the
> edlis/twice/index and couldn't find anything.
>
> Every time I've made a post like this before I get very little
> response if any, even though I know there are lots on here who would
> know... I wonder if it's because the ones who do know are peeved that
> I'm not going through "proper edlis channels" whatever the hell that
> means.
>
> --
OK, since you ask: It's a great CD. It contains all the circulating
outtakes from the New York Blood on the tracks sessions, five of which
are officially released on the Bootleg Series and Biograph, one on the
Jerry MCGuire Soundtrack and the rest from the original test pressing.
Good sound, beautiful versions (generally), so if your only reason to
buy Biograph is to get Up to Me, you might save a few bucks here.
The packaging is inventive too, of course, and the liner notes are the
original, Grammy-winning ones from 1974/5.
--
Eyolf Ĝstrem
Rackarbergsg 30:410
S-752 32 Uppsala, Sweden
--------------------------------------------------------
E-post: Eyolf.Ostrem@musik.uu.se
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http://hem.passagen.se/obrecht/sinenomine/ (Sine Nomine)
Subject: Re: Blood On The Tapes
From: alan.fraser@mcmail.com (Alan Fraser)
Date: 1998/03/07
Message-ID: <35017e9b.11200572@news.mcmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
On Sat, 07 Mar 1998 10:00:03 +0000, Smith Family
wrote:
>Four of the BOTT outtakes are on "The Bootleg Series" and "Up To Me" is
>on "Biograph". Could someone who has "Blood On The Tapes" tell me if
>takes of these songs on "Blood On The Tapes" are the same as what were
>released on Bootleg and Biograph?
For you and for Ken Evans, the track listing of Blood On The Tapes is
as below, my comments are based on Michael Krogsgaard's article in
Telegraph 55. You can use this boot CD and the regular Blood On The
Tracks to recreate the original New York sessions album.
Columbia Studios, New York, 16 Sep 75
1 If You See Her, Say Hello
Same as on the Bootleg Series
2 Lily, Rosemary & The Jack Of Hearts
From the original album, still unreleased
3 Call Letter Blues
Same as on the Bootleg Series
4 Idiot Wind
Basic take, without overdubs from 8 Oct 75, of the original album
track, still unreleased
5 Tangled Up In Blue
Same as on the Bootleg Series
Columbia Studios, New York, 17 Sep 75
6 You're A Big Girl, Now
From the original album, remixed for Biograph
7 Shelter From the Storm
This sounds like the alternate version from Jerry Maguire
Columbia Studios, New York, 19 Sep 75
8 If You See Her, Say Hello
From the original album, still unreleased
9 Tangled Up In Blue
From the original album, still unreleased
10 Up To Me
Same as on Biograph
11 Idiot Wind
Same as on the Bootleg Series
If anyone has more information on these, please let the group know.
Alan
From: alan.fraser@mcmail.com (Alan Fraser)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Blood On The Tapes
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:10:56 GMT
Message-ID: <3503603d.830296@news.mcmail.com>
On 7 Mar 1998 21:09:24 GMT, mackechnie@aol.com (MacKechnie) wrote:
>>4 Idiot Wind
>>Basic take, without overdubs from 8 Oct 75, of the original album
>>track, still unreleased
>
>Alan, unless I'm mistaken, there actually *is* an overdub on this track: Paul
>Griffin's "eerie" organ accompaniment was overdubbed a few days after the
>original take---perhaps on the 19th. I think Heylin has something on this in
>his Seesions volume.
>
> Russ
In that case, this is the New York sessions album track as originally
issued.
Thanks for that information.
Alan
From: alan.fraser@mcmail.com (Alan Fraser)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Blood On The Tapes
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:48:31 GMT
Message-ID: <3502c9dc.1176277@news.mcmail.com>
On Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:07:27 -0600, tricia.j@aardvark.apana.org.au
wrote:
>In article <19980307210901.QAA11645@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
> mackechnie@aol.com (MacKechnie) wrote:
>>
>> >4 Idiot Wind
>> >Basic take, without overdubs from 8 Oct 75, of the original album
>> >track, still unreleased
>>
>> Alan, unless I'm mistaken, there actually *is* an overdub on this track:
>Paul
>> Griffin's "eerie" organ accompaniment was overdubbed a few days after the
>> original take---perhaps on the 19th. I think Heylin has something on this
>in
>> his Seesions volume.
>
>But one who was there says there were no overdubs - Griffin was playing at the
>original session.
I think I put 75 not 74 throughout my original post - a typo, sorry.
In Telegraph 55 Krogsgaard gives 8 Oct 74, 10.00-14.30 as the date and
time of an overdub session for Idiot Wind with Paul Griffin. Griffin's
overdubs were to take 6 from 16 Sep 74, and the track was then
released on the original version of BOTT.
Musicians listed by Krogsgaard for 16 Sep 74 are Eric Weissberg (gtr),
Tony Brown (bs), Richard Crooks (dr), Barry Kornfeld (gtr), Thomas
McFaul (kbds), and Charles Brown (gtr).
Paul Griffin may have been there, but he didn't get paid :-).
Alan
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Message-ID: <199803190244.LAA02182@mail.APEL.NE.JP>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:47:33 +0900
From: Masato Kato
Subject: Joaquin Antique Boot
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:01:36 GMT Hip lingo wrote:
Subject: Joaquin Antique Boot
>
>Have heard there is a bootleg with this title which contains the original
>versions
>of songs from "blood on the tracks" not the ones which actually appeared
>on the
>album.Anyone know if these are what appear on "blood on the tapes"
>
> Thanks,
> Randy
Answer to both questions is yes.
"Joaquin Antique" LP was the first bootleg that brought us the original
versions of "BOTT" songs. But now it's really "antique", out of date.
Some CD bootlegs, including "Blood On The Tapes", surpass this LP in
sound quality, but they are yet another trash with low sound quality
and a lot of hiss. The excellent quality tape (DAT copy directly off
the test pressing/acetate) is circulating among collectors.
I know some people get hurt when I speak ill of the bootlegs. I am
sorry for that. But please remember that I do not have to be satisfied
with the poor sound quality.
Masato Kato
Love Minus Zero/No Limit
From: Dino
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: BLOOD ON THE TAPES QUESTION
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:25:41 -0400
Message-ID: <35525105.5610@geocities.com>
Michael Goad wrote:
>
> I recently purchased a cd-r version of Blood On The Tapes. On a few of
> the tracks the sound drops out for a second. Is this normal or do I have
> a bad cd?
you have a bad CD-R. the beginning of the outtake If You See Her should
have some distortion and channel problems for the first two seconds or
so. they're all like that, cause the master is presumably like that.
the Bootleg Series wouldn't have let something like that slip through
accidentally. the second (test pressing) if you see her is too quiet
and sounds compressed. those are the only faults i've noticed.
I have no idea how the new NY Sessions disc sounds. but that one's
intended to give the feel of the test pressing, not a session
compilation like BOTTapes. NY Sessions has got everything at the
original acetate speed and is essentially what would have been released
had Bob not had second thoughts in Minnesota. some people find such
things fascinating. frankly i don't give a shit about that sort of
thing. but then again i would have found BOTT duller than DITG if Bob
had left it alone. :-)
regards,
Dino
From: gillamont@aol.com (GilLamont)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Which Blood on the Tapes
Message-ID: <1998051416403500.MAA06088@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Date: 14 May 1998 16:40:35 GMT
After a little effort, I acquired Blood on the Tapes. I thought I had the
"original" -- the one with the blurry picture of Bob that's a different photo
than the one on Blood on the Tracks, and the blue back cover with the track
listings.
But recently I found a version which reproduces the Blood on the Tracks cover
*exactly*, except for "Tracks" has been changed to "Tapes" and that section is
blue instead of red. The back cover is full color, an enlargement of the
bottom of the back cover of Blood on the Tracks. In the lower right corner is
the Columbia logo, with Columbus apparing below.
All other printed matter -- "Promotional issue" etc. -- is the same in both.
However, the the inside (reverse) of the back insert of this one has the
initials J.B. over a large star of David. Along the "spine" areas on this
reverse it says "The answer my frieind [sic], is blowin' in the wind. the
answer is blowin' in the wind".
The CD itself is apparently a CD-R with "Blood on the Tapes" in the same font
and arrangement as the cover printed directly onto the CD.
Can anyone enlighten me on this anomaly?
Thanks.
Gil