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>From: Maura Davis
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Subject: Genuine Basement Tapes Vols 1-3
>Date: 14 Jul 1997 09:49:10 -0700
>In article <5q53r0$bbu@drn.zippo.com>
>alan@edlis.org (Alan Fraser) wrote:
>: In article , Miss I says...
>: >That Craig J., carless boyo! When did he missinform you all this way?
>: >A cruel joke, a typo, or watt?
>: >We all no he meant Vol. 3 of Genuine Basement Tapes is in mono so many
>: >purchase After The Crash Vol. 1 for its stereo.
>
>: No, no. It was totally my fault, nothing to do with Craig - the information h
>: posted was _absolutely_ accurate. Anyway, I looked up the recommended bootleg
>: appendix in Clinton Heylin's Recording Sessions book, and he says that althou
>: After The Crash Vol. 1 is in stereo, the quality of the mono source on the
>: Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 3 is slightly superior. So you pays your money an
>: makes your choice: Crash for Stereo, Basement for Slightly Better Quality (if
>: you take any notice of Heylin, that is).
>: Alan
>
>Must be some kind of in joke?
>
>No one but Clinton Heylin, his mother and the bootlegger him/herself
>has ever made such an ourageous sales pitch. One must read between the
>lines.
>
>EDLIS' advice has been the same for years. No axe to grind.
>
>: >We all no he meant Vol. 3 of Genuine Basement Tapes is in mono so many
>: >purchase After The Crash Vol. 1 for its stereo.
>
>Similarly you might have noticed dealers can grade CDs in a fashion
>that reflects profit margins, stock in hand and suchlike but ignores
>ears.
>
>Surprised Alan is naive enough to bring up such an irrelevance without
>comment.
>
>Don't take Clinton seriously. It only encourages him.
>
>
>Maura Davis
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>From: alan_fraser@nospam.compuserve.com (Alan Fraser)
>Subject: Re: Basement Tapes CD's
>Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:36:26 GMT
>The July issue of Crazy Joe's Famous Etiquette Book newsletter
>reports that Scorpio are reissuing the Genuine Basement Tapes
>Volumes 1 to 5. The infamous Vol 3 which was formerly in mono will now
>be released in stereo. The CDs will be sold only as a complete set (no
>orphans!). This is obviously to avoid a run on Vol 3 alone! CJ also
>says that Vols 1 & 2 suffered from production problems and some
>copies have deteriorated. Check your Vols 1 & 2, folks!
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:00:31 -0700
>From: Jeff
>Subject: Re: TOOM; After the Crash Vol. 1
>After the Crash Vol. 1 is the same track listing as The Genuine Basement
>Tapes Vol 3 but After the Crash Vol. 1 is in stereo and generally preferred
>by most. Basicly on the stereo version on some songs one channel has Bob on
>it nice & loud & bright and the other channel sometimes has a lot of
>distortion. When the distortion occurs, the mono version is preferred by me
>since it is a mix of both channels with the Bob version mixed much higher
>and the distorted non Bob channel mixed low. At other times when the
>distortion on the non Bob channel is not as bad, then it has some nice
>vocal harmonies or instruments which are lost on the mono version but sound
>nice on the stereo version.
>
>The re-release of the 5 cd set The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol 1 to 5 is
>supposed to have Vol 3 in stereo.
>
>Million Dollar Bash
>Yeah Heavy And A Bottle Of Bread
>Million Dollar Bash
>Yeah Heavy And A Bottle Of Bread
>Please Mrs Henry
>Crash On The Levee (Down In The Flood)
>Crash On The Levee (Down In The Flood)
>Lo And Behold
>Lo And Behold
>Ferdinand the Imposter
>Tiny Montgomeroy
>This Wheel's On Fire
>You Ain't Going Nowhere
>I Shall Be Released
>Too Much Of Nothing
>Instrumental
>Santa Fe
>Silent Weekend
>Too Much Of Nothing
>Sign On The Cross
>
>EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
>From: lvdm@xs4all.nl (Lonesome Sparrow)
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Subject: The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 3
>Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 11:45:37 GMT
>I have just bought (here in the Netherlands) "The Genuine Basement
>Tapes Vol. 3". This CD was originally accidentally manufactured in
>mono. If you wanted it in stereo, you had to buy the CD "After The
>Crash Vol. 1". This year all 5 volumes have been rereleased and now
>volume 3 is in stereo. It has been reported earlier that the new
>release would only be sold as a complete set. I have found this not to
>be true, for I have bought only volume 3, since I already had the
>other 4 volumes.
>I haven't listened to it yet, but I have listened to the beginning of
>some tracks to check if it's indeed stereo. It is. My further
>impression from this short listen is that it has considerably more
>hiss than the other volumes and that some tracks have distortion in
>one channel. This impression answers to the reviews I have read of the
>mono release and "After The Crash Vol. 1".
>The casing of this CD is similar to my other volumes. The front of the
>cover is the same as
>http://www.punkhart.com/dylan/images/genuine_basement_tapes_vol_3.jpg.
>The CD itself is totally different. The left half is red with a
>picture of a white wolf. The right half is white with red letters. At
>the top is printed "ABRAHAM'S SUN". At the bottom in smaller letters
>"ALL AMERICAN BOY". At the right in small letters "WILD WOLF 6703".
>Matrix: "GZ IA0212 WHITE WOLF 6703/B". So the CD suggests it is from a
>band called Abraham's Sun and the title is "All American Boy". The
>only clue that it actually is from Dylan is that "All American Boy" is
>one of the songs from "The Genuine Basement Tapes", but not from
>volume 3, but from volume 4.
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:15:54 -0800
>From: Jeff
>Subject: Re: The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 3
>>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:22:09 GMT
>>From: Alan Fraser
>>Subject: Re: The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 3
>>This information about only being sold as a complete set, came from
>>Crazy Joe - either from his column in Isis or his Famous Etiquette
>>Book newsletter. Maybe commercial pressures have forced a rethink on
>>behalf of the suppliers.
>>
>>>I haven't listened to it yet, but I have listened to the beginning of
>>>some tracks to check if it's indeed stereo. It is. My further
>>>impression from this short listen is that it has considerably more
>>>hiss than the other volumes and that some tracks have distortion in
>>>one channel. This impression answers to the reviews I have read of the
>>>mono release and "After The Crash Vol. 1".
>>
>>Jeez! When I quoted Heylin that the quality of the stereo version of
>>Vol 3 was slightly poorer than that of the mono version I was
>>universally reviled! You can apologise by email if you don't want to
>>own up you were wrong in public! :-)
>
>After the Crash Vol. 1 is the same track listing as "the original mono"
> The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol 3 but After the Crash Vol. 1 is in stereo
>and generally preferred by most. Basicly on the stereo version on some
>songs, one channel has Bob on it nice & loud & bright and the other channel
>sometimes has a lot of distortion. When the distortion occurs, the mono
>version is preferred by me since it is a mix of both channels with the Bob
>version mixed much higher and the distorted non Bob channel mixed low. At
>other times when the distortion on the non Bob channel is not as bad, then
>it has some nice vocal harmonies or instruments which are lost on the mono
>version but sound nice on the stereo version. What would have been nice was
>to make the CD which kept the songs in stereo except for the songs when the
>one channel gets very distorted.
>
>Does anyone know if "the new stereo" The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol 3 is a
>clone of After the Crash Vol 1 or is a new different stereo mix?
>
>There is also a 5 CD-R set being sold. I am unsure which mix it contains
>for Volume 3.
>
>EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:06:22 +0100
>From: Tim Norford
>Subject: Genuine Basement Tapes
>I've purchased The Genuine Basement Tapes set on CD and was told they
>are the Scorpio re-issue, strange thing is the only manufacturer logo
>I can see is Wild Wolf. Each CD has white decal with a red wolf pic.
>Sound is OK although the first couple of seconds of many tracks seem to
>be cut (compared to my old tape which has longer introductions).
>
>Can anyone tell me:
>
>Are these the Scorpio re-issues with the remastered disk 3 ?
>From: pspencer
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Subject: Re: Genuine Basement tapes Volume 3
>Date: 7 Mar 1998 17:57:12 GMT
>Message-ID: <6ds1po$j27$1@tsunami.wavetech.net>
>czeskleba@aol.com (Czeskleba) writes: > Can someone tell me if the new, reissued version of this disc is in stereo, or
>> is it still in mono like the previous version was?
>
>It IS in stereo, except "I Shall Be Released" which, oddly, is still in mono. There is a stereo version of it available on the vinyl "Blind Boy Grunt: Newly Discovered...". And it makes a difference because Manuel's vocals are too high in all the mono mixes. Also, the new CD still has the cut version of "Ferdinand" while there is a complete version circulating.
>
>On the positive side, the new CD contains the hard-to-find spoken intro to "This Wheel's On Fire". The whole CD sounds just great. I think the most startling thing is "Tiny Montgomery" which sounds WAY better than the official mix.
>Message-ID: <3503DB7A.2AA1@statsvet.uu.se>
>Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:07:22 +0100
>From: Jan Andersson
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Subject: New Gen. Basement Tapes?
>Does anybody have a clue if there's a possibility of a new "remastered"
>release of the "Genuine Basement Tapes"? I've just recently heard the
>four "basement" tracks on "Genuine Bootleg Series take 2" (also from the
>Scorpio label), and I was very surprised to find that they had
>significantly better sound quality than the original release. So Scorpio
>must be sitting on better sounding tapes, don't they? I've heard about a
>rerelease on another label, but nothing about upgraded sound quality so
>far (except vol 3 being in stereo perhaps). Since GBS has been out for a
>while, maybe this has been discussed before, but I have missed it...
>From: czeskleba@aol.com (Czeskleba)
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Subject: Basement tapes reissue
>Date: 9 Mar 1998 12:17:09 GMT
>Message-ID: <19980309121701.HAA12167@ladder03.news.aol.com>
>Okay, now that I have been informed that vol 3 of this series is (almost all)
>in stereo on the new reissue, I have another question. Is the overall sound
>quality of the entire series an improvement over the previous issue? Did the
>makers have access to better tapes? How do these cds compare in sound quality
>to the basement tracks on the "Genuine Bootleg Series" sets, which of course
>sound much better than the original basement series?
>From: Bob Stacy
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Subject: Re: Genuine Basement Tapes Query
>Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:03:26 -0400
>Message-ID: <353D4FED.22B8B12D@usit.net>
>Lonesome Sparrow wrote:
>
>> "Crossing The Great Divide" contains 2 tracks called "You Say You Love
>>
>> Me" and 1 track called "If I Lose", so apparently these are indeed the
>>
>> correct titles. Don't have this set, so can't compare these tracks to
>> the ones on "The Genuine Basement Tapes".
>
>On Crossing The Great Divide, the track "You Say You Love Me #1" is the
>same as the unlisted track 20 on Genuine Basement Tapes CD 1. "You Say
>You Love Me #2" is a slightly shorter, but different take available
>(only?) on Crossing The Great Divide.
>
>The track called "If I Lose" on Crossing The Great Divide is the same as
>the unlisted track #20 (w/"If I Lose" hookline) that's on Genuine
>Basement Tapes CD 4.
>
>All of the above are Band tracks (no detectable Dylan).
>From: "EDLIS Who Has Which..."
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Subject: EDLIS - Who Has Which Genuine Basement Tapes, Vol. 1-5 (reissue)
>Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:12:42 -0500
>Message-ID: <35DF182A.3F5E@edlis.org>
>Genuine Basement Tapes, Vol. 1-5 (reissue) / Bob Dylan
>[Spring 67 - Fall 67] Wild Wolf 6701-6705 5CD []
>
>As most r.m.d. readers know, the legendary 5CD basement tapes set that
>inspired Greil Marcus' "Invisible Republic" was re-issued about a year
>ago on the Wild Wolf label. The set is distinguished by full stereo on
>vol. 3, which was inexplicably rendered in mono in the original Scorpio
>set.
>
>Recently, a collector advised the Bob Dylan Boot Database (BDBDB) that
>his copy of vol. 3 had a silver center ring on the disc & the addition
>of "/B" to the matrix number (6703/B). The other disks have clear
>centers & bear numbers Wild Wolf 6701, 6702, 6704 & 6705; vol. 3 is
>6703/B. Also, the front insert for vol. 3 is printed on one side only,
>in contrast to the other 4 vols which have full insert graphics.
>
>I checked my own copies & discovered the same things, except that my
>vol. 2 has a silver center ring, too.
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>From: Peter Gilmer
>Subject: Re: EDLIS - Who Has Which Genuine Basement Tapes, Vol. 1-5 (reissue)
>Message-ID: <35DF39EF.D00DC54C@pobox.com>
>Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:36:48 GMT
>Just looked and my volume three is different. It has no silver ring in the
>centre, and the matrix number is "WHITE WOLF 6703/B". That's right, White
>Wolf ! The front insert is printed one side only.
>
>My volume two also has the silver ring and the matrix number is "WILD WOLF
>6702"
>From: Lonesome Sparrow
>To: bdbdb@edlis.org
>Subject: Re: EDLIS - Who Has Which Genuine Basement Tapes, Vol. 1-5 (reissue)
>Date: 27 Aug 1998
>The center ring is clear, not silver.
>The front insert is printed on one side only.
>From: "Peter Oudejans"
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Subject: Re: Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 1-5
>Date: 25 Aug 1998 17:26:43 GMT
>Message-ID: <01bdd04e$02d54640$LocalHost@remote-3>
>The Genuine Basement Tapes vol 1-5 were reissued on Wild Wolf label.
>The first pressing of vol. 3 of this reissue was again in.....MONO.
>This fault was corrected before the discs were distributed. Very few
.copies could be saved from destroying. This mispressing has
>matrix nr GZ 181905 WILD WOLF 6703.
>The STEREO version has matrix nr GZ IA0212 WHITE WOLF 6703/B for the red
>printed disc and GZJ30515 WHITE WOLF 6703/B for the black printed disc.
>(note: WHITE WOLF, not WILD WOLF!).