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>From: Maura Davis 
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Subject: Genuine Basement Tapes Vols 1-3
>Date: 14 Jul 1997 09:49:10 -0700

>In article <5q53r0$bbu@drn.zippo.com> 
>alan@edlis.org (Alan Fraser) wrote:
>: In article , Miss I says...
>: >That Craig J., carless boyo! When did he missinform you all this way?
>: >A cruel joke, a typo, or watt? 
>: >We all no he meant Vol. 3 of Genuine Basement Tapes is in mono so many
>: >purchase After The Crash Vol. 1 for its stereo. 
>
>: No, no. It was totally my fault, nothing to do with Craig - the information h
>: posted was _absolutely_ accurate. Anyway, I looked up the recommended bootleg
>: appendix in Clinton Heylin's Recording Sessions book, and he says that althou
>: After The Crash Vol. 1 is in stereo, the quality of the mono source on the
>: Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 3 is slightly superior. So you pays your money an
>: makes your choice: Crash for Stereo, Basement for Slightly Better Quality (if
>: you take any notice of Heylin, that is).
>: Alan
>
>Must be some kind of in joke? 
>
>No one but Clinton Heylin, his mother and the bootlegger him/herself
>has ever made such an ourageous sales pitch. One must read between the
>lines. 
>
>EDLIS' advice has been the same for years. No axe to grind. 
>
>: >We all no he meant Vol. 3 of Genuine Basement Tapes is in mono so many
>: >purchase After The Crash Vol. 1 for its stereo. 
>
>Similarly you might have noticed dealers can grade CDs in a fashion
>that reflects profit margins, stock in hand and suchlike but ignores 
>ears. 
>
>Surprised Alan is naive enough to bring up such an irrelevance without
>comment. 
>
>Don't take Clinton seriously.  It only encourages him. 
>
>
>Maura Davis


>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >From: alan_fraser@nospam.compuserve.com (Alan Fraser) >Subject: Re: Basement Tapes CD's >Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:36:26 GMT >The July issue of Crazy Joe's Famous Etiquette Book newsletter >reports that Scorpio are reissuing the Genuine Basement Tapes >Volumes 1 to 5. The infamous Vol 3 which was formerly in mono will now >be released in stereo. The CDs will be sold only as a complete set (no >orphans!). This is obviously to avoid a run on Vol 3 alone! CJ also >says that Vols 1 & 2 suffered from production problems and some >copies have deteriorated. Check your Vols 1 & 2, folks!
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:00:31 -0700 >From: Jeff >Subject: Re: TOOM; After the Crash Vol. 1 >After the Crash Vol. 1 is the same track listing as The Genuine Basement >Tapes Vol 3 but After the Crash Vol. 1 is in stereo and generally preferred >by most. Basicly on the stereo version on some songs one channel has Bob on >it nice & loud & bright and the other channel sometimes has a lot of >distortion. When the distortion occurs, the mono version is preferred by me >since it is a mix of both channels with the Bob version mixed much higher >and the distorted non Bob channel mixed low. At other times when the >distortion on the non Bob channel is not as bad, then it has some nice >vocal harmonies or instruments which are lost on the mono version but sound >nice on the stereo version. > >The re-release of the 5 cd set The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol 1 to 5 is >supposed to have Vol 3 in stereo. > >Million Dollar Bash >Yeah Heavy And A Bottle Of Bread >Million Dollar Bash >Yeah Heavy And A Bottle Of Bread >Please Mrs Henry >Crash On The Levee (Down In The Flood) >Crash On The Levee (Down In The Flood) >Lo And Behold >Lo And Behold >Ferdinand the Imposter >Tiny Montgomeroy >This Wheel's On Fire >You Ain't Going Nowhere >I Shall Be Released >Too Much Of Nothing >Instrumental >Santa Fe >Silent Weekend >Too Much Of Nothing >Sign On The Cross > >EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
>From: lvdm@xs4all.nl (Lonesome Sparrow) >Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Subject: The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 3 >Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 11:45:37 GMT >I have just bought (here in the Netherlands) "The Genuine Basement >Tapes Vol. 3". This CD was originally accidentally manufactured in >mono. If you wanted it in stereo, you had to buy the CD "After The >Crash Vol. 1". This year all 5 volumes have been rereleased and now >volume 3 is in stereo. It has been reported earlier that the new >release would only be sold as a complete set. I have found this not to >be true, for I have bought only volume 3, since I already had the >other 4 volumes. >I haven't listened to it yet, but I have listened to the beginning of >some tracks to check if it's indeed stereo. It is. My further >impression from this short listen is that it has considerably more >hiss than the other volumes and that some tracks have distortion in >one channel. This impression answers to the reviews I have read of the >mono release and "After The Crash Vol. 1". >The casing of this CD is similar to my other volumes. The front of the >cover is the same as >http://www.punkhart.com/dylan/images/genuine_basement_tapes_vol_3.jpg. >The CD itself is totally different. The left half is red with a >picture of a white wolf. The right half is white with red letters. At >the top is printed "ABRAHAM'S SUN". At the bottom in smaller letters >"ALL AMERICAN BOY". At the right in small letters "WILD WOLF 6703". >Matrix: "GZ IA0212 WHITE WOLF 6703/B". So the CD suggests it is from a >band called Abraham's Sun and the title is "All American Boy". The >only clue that it actually is from Dylan is that "All American Boy" is >one of the songs from "The Genuine Basement Tapes", but not from >volume 3, but from volume 4.
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:15:54 -0800 >From: Jeff >Subject: Re: The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 3 >>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:22:09 GMT >>From: Alan Fraser >>Subject: Re: The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 3 >>This information about only being sold as a complete set, came from >>Crazy Joe - either from his column in Isis or his Famous Etiquette >>Book newsletter. Maybe commercial pressures have forced a rethink on >>behalf of the suppliers. >> >>>I haven't listened to it yet, but I have listened to the beginning of >>>some tracks to check if it's indeed stereo. It is. My further >>>impression from this short listen is that it has considerably more >>>hiss than the other volumes and that some tracks have distortion in >>>one channel. This impression answers to the reviews I have read of the >>>mono release and "After The Crash Vol. 1". >> >>Jeez! When I quoted Heylin that the quality of the stereo version of >>Vol 3 was slightly poorer than that of the mono version I was >>universally reviled! You can apologise by email if you don't want to >>own up you were wrong in public! :-) > >After the Crash Vol. 1 is the same track listing as "the original mono" > The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol 3 but After the Crash Vol. 1 is in stereo >and generally preferred by most. Basicly on the stereo version on some >songs, one channel has Bob on it nice & loud & bright and the other channel >sometimes has a lot of distortion. When the distortion occurs, the mono >version is preferred by me since it is a mix of both channels with the Bob >version mixed much higher and the distorted non Bob channel mixed low. At >other times when the distortion on the non Bob channel is not as bad, then >it has some nice vocal harmonies or instruments which are lost on the mono >version but sound nice on the stereo version. What would have been nice was >to make the CD which kept the songs in stereo except for the songs when the >one channel gets very distorted. > >Does anyone know if "the new stereo" The Genuine Basement Tapes Vol 3 is a >clone of After the Crash Vol 1 or is a new different stereo mix? > >There is also a 5 CD-R set being sold. I am unsure which mix it contains >for Volume 3. > >EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
>Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:06:22 +0100 >From: Tim Norford >Subject: Genuine Basement Tapes >I've purchased The Genuine Basement Tapes set on CD and was told they >are the Scorpio re-issue, strange thing is the only manufacturer logo >I can see is Wild Wolf. Each CD has white decal with a red wolf pic. >Sound is OK although the first couple of seconds of many tracks seem to >be cut (compared to my old tape which has longer introductions). > >Can anyone tell me: > >Are these the Scorpio re-issues with the remastered disk 3 ?
>From: pspencer >Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Subject: Re: Genuine Basement tapes Volume 3 >Date: 7 Mar 1998 17:57:12 GMT >Message-ID: <6ds1po$j27$1@tsunami.wavetech.net> >czeskleba@aol.com (Czeskleba) writes: > Can someone tell me if the new, reissued version of this disc is in stereo, or >> is it still in mono like the previous version was? > >It IS in stereo, except "I Shall Be Released" which, oddly, is still in mono. There is a stereo version of it available on the vinyl "Blind Boy Grunt: Newly Discovered...". And it makes a difference because Manuel's vocals are too high in all the mono mixes. Also, the new CD still has the cut version of "Ferdinand" while there is a complete version circulating. > >On the positive side, the new CD contains the hard-to-find spoken intro to "This Wheel's On Fire". The whole CD sounds just great. I think the most startling thing is "Tiny Montgomery" which sounds WAY better than the official mix.
>Message-ID: <3503DB7A.2AA1@statsvet.uu.se> >Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:07:22 +0100 >From: Jan Andersson >Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Subject: New Gen. Basement Tapes? >Does anybody have a clue if there's a possibility of a new "remastered" >release of the "Genuine Basement Tapes"? I've just recently heard the >four "basement" tracks on "Genuine Bootleg Series take 2" (also from the >Scorpio label), and I was very surprised to find that they had >significantly better sound quality than the original release. So Scorpio >must be sitting on better sounding tapes, don't they? I've heard about a >rerelease on another label, but nothing about upgraded sound quality so >far (except vol 3 being in stereo perhaps). Since GBS has been out for a >while, maybe this has been discussed before, but I have missed it...
>From: czeskleba@aol.com (Czeskleba) >Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Subject: Basement tapes reissue >Date: 9 Mar 1998 12:17:09 GMT >Message-ID: <19980309121701.HAA12167@ladder03.news.aol.com> >Okay, now that I have been informed that vol 3 of this series is (almost all) >in stereo on the new reissue, I have another question. Is the overall sound >quality of the entire series an improvement over the previous issue? Did the >makers have access to better tapes? How do these cds compare in sound quality >to the basement tracks on the "Genuine Bootleg Series" sets, which of course >sound much better than the original basement series?
>From: Bob Stacy >Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Subject: Re: Genuine Basement Tapes Query >Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:03:26 -0400 >Message-ID: <353D4FED.22B8B12D@usit.net> >Lonesome Sparrow wrote: > >> "Crossing The Great Divide" contains 2 tracks called "You Say You Love >> >> Me" and 1 track called "If I Lose", so apparently these are indeed the >> >> correct titles. Don't have this set, so can't compare these tracks to >> the ones on "The Genuine Basement Tapes". > >On Crossing The Great Divide, the track "You Say You Love Me #1" is the >same as the unlisted track 20 on Genuine Basement Tapes CD 1. "You Say >You Love Me #2" is a slightly shorter, but different take available >(only?) on Crossing The Great Divide. > >The track called "If I Lose" on Crossing The Great Divide is the same as >the unlisted track #20 (w/"If I Lose" hookline) that's on Genuine >Basement Tapes CD 4. > >All of the above are Band tracks (no detectable Dylan).
>From: "EDLIS Who Has Which..." >Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Subject: EDLIS - Who Has Which Genuine Basement Tapes, Vol. 1-5 (reissue) >Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:12:42 -0500 >Message-ID: <35DF182A.3F5E@edlis.org> >Genuine Basement Tapes, Vol. 1-5 (reissue) / Bob Dylan >[Spring 67 - Fall 67] Wild Wolf 6701-6705 5CD [] > >As most r.m.d. readers know, the legendary 5CD basement tapes set that >inspired Greil Marcus' "Invisible Republic" was re-issued about a year >ago on the Wild Wolf label. The set is distinguished by full stereo on >vol. 3, which was inexplicably rendered in mono in the original Scorpio >set. > >Recently, a collector advised the Bob Dylan Boot Database (BDBDB) that >his copy of vol. 3 had a silver center ring on the disc & the addition >of "/B" to the matrix number (6703/B). The other disks have clear >centers & bear numbers Wild Wolf 6701, 6702, 6704 & 6705; vol. 3 is >6703/B. Also, the front insert for vol. 3 is printed on one side only, >in contrast to the other 4 vols which have full insert graphics. > >I checked my own copies & discovered the same things, except that my >vol. 2 has a silver center ring, too. >Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >From: Peter Gilmer >Subject: Re: EDLIS - Who Has Which Genuine Basement Tapes, Vol. 1-5 (reissue) >Message-ID: <35DF39EF.D00DC54C@pobox.com> >Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:36:48 GMT >Just looked and my volume three is different. It has no silver ring in the >centre, and the matrix number is "WHITE WOLF 6703/B". That's right, White >Wolf ! The front insert is printed one side only. > >My volume two also has the silver ring and the matrix number is "WILD WOLF >6702" >From: Lonesome Sparrow >To: bdbdb@edlis.org >Subject: Re: EDLIS - Who Has Which Genuine Basement Tapes, Vol. 1-5 (reissue) >Date: 27 Aug 1998 >The center ring is clear, not silver. >The front insert is printed on one side only.
>From: "Peter Oudejans" >Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan >Subject: Re: Genuine Basement Tapes Vol. 1-5 >Date: 25 Aug 1998 17:26:43 GMT >Message-ID: <01bdd04e$02d54640$LocalHost@remote-3> >The Genuine Basement Tapes vol 1-5 were reissued on Wild Wolf label. >The first pressing of vol. 3 of this reissue was again in.....MONO. >This fault was corrected before the discs were distributed. Very few .copies could be saved from destroying. This mispressing has >matrix nr GZ 181905 WILD WOLF 6703. >The STEREO version has matrix nr GZ IA0212 WHITE WOLF 6703/B for the red >printed disc and GZJ30515 WHITE WOLF 6703/B for the black printed disc. >(note: WHITE WOLF, not WILD WOLF!).