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Subject: Re: Dylan and the Hawks play loud
From: rd615@aol.com (RD615)
Date: 1995/03/31
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Recently I discovered a bootleg in a local record store titled
>"Bob Dylan and the Hawks play F***ing Loud"
>I asked the clerk to play a track off it (Baby let me follow you down-
>which I'd never heard him play live before), and immediately decided to
>buy it.
>Absolutely incredible, in my opinion.
Just a note, that boot has been remastered as "A Week In the Life of..."
without the digital distortion that was on the first release.
_______________________________
Randy Davis RD615@aol.com
_______________________________
Subject: Re: Melbourne '66
From: "Mr. Brian Magid"
Date: 1995/05/01
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>I seem to remember someone's review of this calling it the
>worst sound he'd ever heard on cd. (sound quality, not performance).
>Now I've seen it in catalogues as remastered, though I'm not
>sure which label remastered it.
>There is a Wanted Man cd of this. Is this the remastered one?
>
>Is it still lousy as far as sound quality?
>(Any better than Pill Box?)
>
>Thanks,
>Rick Sweeney rsweener@aol.com
>
Hello-The Melbourne CD on Wanted Man is incredibly good sound. Get it!! Brian
Brian
Subject: Re: Melbourne '66
From: "Mr. Brian Magid"
Date: 1995/05/02
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>whoa, hold on there Brian. There are *two* releases of the
>Melbourne show available from Wanted Man. You can't buy just
>either one. The second release is much improved (in terms of
>sound quality.)
>
>So Rick, pick up *Melbourne* (Wanted Man Music 023). DON'T buy
>*Melbourne, Australia* (Wanted Man Music 007)
>
>--
He's right, the second is much better. My apologies
>Matthew White
>(519) 735-3907
>Windsor, Ontario, Canada
>
>
Brian
Subject: Re: Melbourne '66
From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Date: 1995/05/11
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Mr. Brian Magid (dsc9bam@IMC210.MED.NAVY.MIL) wrote:
: >I seem to remember someone's review of this calling it the
: >worst sound he'd ever heard on cd. (sound quality, not performance).
: >Now I've seen it in catalogues as remastered, though I'm not
: >sure which label remastered it.
: >There is a Wanted Man cd of this. Is this the remastered one?
: >Is it still lousy as far as sound quality?
: >(Any better than Pill Box?)
: >Rick Sweeney rsweener@aol.com
: Hello-The Melbourne CD on Wanted Man is incredibly good sound. Get it!!
: Brian
Wellllllll, there are Melbourne CDs and there are Melbourne CDs...
Melbourne / Bob Dylan [and the Hawks] [19 April - 20 May 1966]
Disc and Spine Title: Melbourne
Cover title: Bob Dylan in "Melbourne, Australia" The Enigmatic
Story of a Boy and his Dog... - with a cast of thousands!
Wanted Man Music, WMM 023, 1993
Matrix: DL CD B 23123
Bob Dylan and the Hawks [later The Band]. The best of the four
available CDs of this famous show for sound quality, the tape
seems to have been remastered, so this could be highly
recommended. Wanted Man Music has replaced their own Melbourne,
Australia [T-237] with this! Bob Dylan's Dream : Historic Live
Performances Vol. 1 [T-118] is not easily available any more so
this CD may be the best you can get of this 1966 show. Melbourne,
Australia [T-236] is no longer common either.
Tell Me, Momma (7) is a real commotion. Vocals are REALLY loud,
and he's just BELLOWING the lyrics. Really has a nice snarl to
his voice. Amazing vocals, horrible sound. This CD's source is
said to be a tape, not an acetate, but there is a "skip" during
Tell Me, Momma at :59 into the song. "...you're just gonna make
everybody jump and roa//but you're so hard to find. Tell Me,
Momma..." This is the case on all four CDs of this concert. Is it
a tape splice and not a skip?
There's a nice little monologue about Tom Thumb. "This is about a
painter -- down in Mexico City, who travelled from North Mexico
up to Del Rio, Texas all the time, his name's Tom Thumb, and uh,
right now he's about 125 years old but he's still going, and uh,
everybody likes him a lot down there, he's got lots of friends,
and uh, this is when he was going through his BLUE period, of
painting, and uh, he's made COUNTLESS amount of paintings, you
couldn't think of 'em all. This is his blue period painting, I
just dedicate this song to him, it's called Just Like Tom Thumb's
BLUES. [very odd woman screaming, provoking audience laughter and
applause] You, you know Tom Thumb?"
The cover shows a William Stout cartoon of Bob Dylan's face
emerging from a kangaro's pouch, with a green background, a
reduced size picture from the one on WMM 007 (Melbourne,
Australia [T-237]). The picture is taken from the cover of the
vinyl boot LP: Melbourne Australia (TMQ 61002, 1974), which
included tracks 2-5.
Bob Dylan's Dream : Historic Live Performances Vol. 1 / Bob Dylan
& The Band [19 April 1966]
Disc title: Bob Dylan - Historic Live Performances Vol. 1
The Bob Dylan Live Collection
Living Legend Records, LLR CD 005, 1989
Matrix: CDT-BERLIN LLR CD005 01
[= vinyl boot LP: Stars of 66 Volume Three (Germany, 1987)]
The press conference's sound quality and editing are appalling.
Variant: Different printing and layout on the CD and the matrix
number: INTERPRESS LLRCD-005 11.
Most will prefer the better source of T-290, but the press
conference is not found on that CD.
Melbourne, Australia / Bob Dylan [and the Hawks] [19 April 1966]
Spine title: Melbourne, Australia
Disc title: Melbourne '66
Cover title: Bob Dylan in "Melbourne, Australia" The Enigmatic
Story of a Boy and his Dog... - with a cast of thousands!
[Scorpio], BD-93-15-02, [1993]
Matrix: BD931502 17881 <01>
Parental Advisory -- these are _not_ drug songs!"
"...and that's some mighty rare stuff recorded 12 years ago on
his first Australian tour in 1966 at Festival Hall in Melbourne,
Bob Dylan ther....." that's apparently the radio DJ at the end of
the CD. Fades in and out pretty sharply.
Bob Dylan and the Hawks [later The Band]. Most will prefer the
better source of T-290, but the above closing words from the
radio are not found on that CD. Also this CD has three green and
white photographs of Dylan playing in his wonderful hound's tooth
suit!
Melbourne, Australia / Bob Dylan [and the Hawks] [19 April 1966]
Disc title: Melbourne, Australia
Insert title: Melbourne, Australia
Cover title: Dylan in "Melbourne, Australia"
Wanted Man Music, WMM 007, [?1992]
Matrix: DL CD A13523
Bob Dylan and the Hawks [later The Band]. Another remake of the
Melbourne show, copied directly from the Scorpio CD: Melbourne,
Australia [T-236]. This was replaced by Wanted Man Music in 1993
with a remastered from tape version entitled: Melbourne [T-290].
The cover shows a cartoon of Bob Dylan's face emerging from a
kangaro's pouch. "Permission for front-cover publishing given by
William". The picture is taken from the cover of the vinyl boot
LP: Melbourne Australia (TMQ 61002, 1974), which included tracks
2-5. It has been cut down to remove completely the "Bob" from the
upper left corner of that cover and the "The Enigmatic Story of a
Boy and his Dog... - with a cast of thousands!" from the bottom!
This is exactly the sort of horribly confusing maze which EDLIS
exists to guide you through. When someone says, "This is the
Melbourne CD, do you want it?" I am afraid it is time to be
boring and start asking matrix number type questions... And
many dealers have lots of stock of the poorer versions, little
or no stock of the best. Boot collecting is not for the timid,
especially if money is not limitless...
Craig
--
Well, I wish I was on some
Australian mountain range.
Oh, I wish I was on some
Australian mountain range.
I got no reason to be there, but I
Imagine it would be some kind of change...
Subject: Re: Manchester Bootleg
From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Date: 1995/05/12
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
bjm (bmaynard@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU) wrote:
: >Does anyone have or know about the bootleg album Manchester Prayer? I
: >heard it was pretty good. I heard it had some songs from the 66' Free
: >Trade Hall and Royal Albert Hall shows. Thanks a lot.
: > Jared
: I believe the first 5 songs are from Manchester, with Just Like A Woman and
: Mr. Tambourine Man from London, but I could be wrong.
: It is pretty good, but I'd recommend 'Before the Crash' vols. 1 and 2 for
: the same material...vol. 1 is the complete RAH acoustic set, vol 2. has some
: songs from Manchester, some from a few other places.
First 4, Desolation Row, Just Like A Woman and Mr. Tambourine Man from London...
Subject: Re: Sings The Body Electric Parrot 3005 A/B
From: Ben Taylor
Date: 1995/08/25
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
In article <950817005602_76738781@aol.com> RD615@AOL.COM "Randall Davis" writes:
> In a message dated 95-08-17 00:32:08 EDT, you write:
> >
> >Sings The Body Electric Parrot 3005 A/B
> >
> >How are readers of rec.music.dylan finding the sound on this one?
> >
> >Any technical problems?
> >
>
> Can I offer a short review until I have a chance to really go through it?
> The sound quality is very good, though there is a fair amount of surface
> noise from the acetates that it is supposed to be from. I don't really have
> any comparison since I don't have the tapes that have been circulating. I'll
> do a more indepth look this weekend.
Uhm, I hope nobody thinks I'm being too forward or overstepping any recognised
bounds of decency but I was wondering if you could tell us all WHAT'S ON THE
CD!!
Thanks :-)
Ben Taylor
--
Leeds, England
bptaylor@laguna.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Sings The Body Electric
From: Richard Batey
Date: 1995/08/27
Message-ID: <199508270531.AA22180@amaranth.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Ben Taylor was not "being too forward or overstepping any recognised
bounds of decency" when "I was wondering if you could tell us all WHAT'S ON THE
CD!!"
Ben, here's the track list:
BOB DYLAN
SINGS THE BODY ELECTRIC PAR3005-A/B Parrot Records
Disc One
Free Trade Hall, Manchester May 17,'66
1. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (sound check)
2. She Belongs To Me
3. Fourth Time Around
4. Visions of Johanna
5. It's All Over Now Baby Blue
6. Desolation Row
Royal Albert Hall, London, May 26, '66
7. She Belongs To Me
8. Fourth Time Around
9. Visions of Johanna
10. Leopardskin Pillbox Hat
11. One Too Many Mornings
12. Ballad of A Thin Man
Disc Two
Royal Albert Hall, London, May 27,'66
1. She Belongs To Me
2. Fourth Time Around
3. Visions of Johanna
4. It's All Over Now Baby Blue
5. Desolation Row
6. Just Like A Woman
7. Mr. Tambourine Man
ABC Theatre, Edinburg, May 20,'66
8. Like A Rolling Stone
9. One Too Many Mornings
The Odeon, Liverpool, May 14,'66
10. Tell Me Mama
There are flaws in some of the tracks but hey, it's great stuff, IMO.
Richard (who would like to trade the above for 6/21/95 Philly show; or
Brixton Blues 3/31/95; or Songs of Darkness, Songs of Light 4/5 &4/4/95
Manchester - if
I am not "being too forward or overstepping any recognised bounds of decency")
Subject: Re: Melbourne '66
From: naj@itsa.ucsf.edu (Jay S. Luxenberg, M.D.)
Date: 1995/09/16
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
In article ,
dpe2c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Douglas Paul Evans) wrote:
>I just got a recording from Melbourne 4/20/66. Looking at
>Olof's lists, it seems that I'm missing 'Tambourine Man' and
>'Tell Me Momma'. BUT, I was also told that one of the books
>(krogsgaard, I believe) mentions ONLY the 8 songs I have as
>circulating. So, what's the deal? What is circulating from
>this 4/20/66 show? And, for that matter, what's circulating
>from 4/19/66? Any info would be much appreciated.
I have a CD called Melbourne, Australia from a radio broadcast of the
4/19/66 show. Song list is She Belongs To Me, 4th Time Around, Visions of
Johanna (which Dylan introduces as Mother Revisited), It's All Over Now,
Baby Blue, Desolation Row, Just Like A Woman, Baby Let Me Follow You Down,
Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues, and a truncated Tell Me Momma. Quality is
excellent given the era, and performance is awesome.
--
naj@itsa.ucsf
http://nbn.nbn.com/people/jlux
Subject: Re: Melbourne '66
From: l.kokay@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Les Kokay)
Date: 1995/09/18
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
In article ,
dpe2c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU says...
>
>I just got a recording from Melbourne 4/20/66. Looking at
>Olof's lists, it seems that I'm missing 'Tambourine Man' and
>'Tell Me Momma'. BUT, I was also told that one of the books
>(krogsgaard, I believe) mentions ONLY the 8 songs I have as
>circulating. So, what's the deal? What is circulating from
>this 4/20/66 show? And, for that matter, what's circulating
>from 4/19/66? Any info would be much appreciated.
>
We have to go back in time a bit to pick up this story.
This is the gist of it, but as it is off the top of my head it may not be 100%
accurate.
At first there was a Vinyl bootleg. I recall that it contained:
She belongs
Fourth Time around
Visions
*Baby Blue
Desolation Row
(at this stage Krogsgaard listed (in error) LRS - 1st Ed)
* I'm not sure if it contained BB I will have to check my bootleg.
Then I got a tape of the acetate which was NOT the same as the bootleg in that
some of the crowd comments were missing on the acetate. Very strange.
The acetate was mono, one channel only.
Then there was a radio b'cast of JLAW (with maybe a FRAGMENT of Mr T) on it.
The B'cast also included Baby Blue (2SM 2nd April 1978)
There was a another b'cast (at least tapes of it were uncovered - thanks to
Kevin) of:
Tell Me Mama
Baby let me follow you down
Tom Thumb
(b'cast was from 1967 I understand)
Then enter the CDs
To my knowledge there are 3 different CDs of this Melbourne (19th or 20th
April 1966 we can't be sure!)
These CDs have attempted to issue all the material from the 3 sources on one
CD. Without checking my CDs I think one of them ADDs a LRS (bogus???). I
haven't checked to see if the LRS is from elsewhere.
I think that one of the CDs used the acetate tracks and later ones used a tape
source so the quality is said to be better.
So all the CDs are compilations.
Mr T is only a fragment
LRS may be bogus.
If anyone wants further details I will check the various sources.
Les
Subject: Re: Melbourne '66
From: howells@hasbro.csd.sgi.com (John Howells)
Date: 1995/09/18
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
This is only slightly off the subject, but does anyone else agree with
me that the spoken introduction to "Tom Thumb" is actually from
Liverpool and was spliced onto the beginning of the Melbourne
performance to give the impression it came from the same show? There are
a number of reasons for believing this:
1) There is an obvious splice and change of tempo, key, and sound
quality just before the singing starts.
2) The opening instrumental intro before the splice sounds *identical*
to the intro to the Liverpool version used as the single b-side.
3) Liverpool was supposed to have been one of his friendlier crowds on
the European tour and there seems to be some rowdy approval during the
spoken intro. Also, Dylan sounds very stoned and by that time in the
tour he was pretty much sounding that way all the time.
--
John Howells
howells@csd.sgi.com
http://reality.sgi.com/employees/howells
Subject: Re: Melbourne '66
From: howells@hasbro.csd.sgi.com (John Howells)
Date: 1995/09/19
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Patricia Jungwirth writes:
wrote on Mon Sept 18:
<>does anyone else agree that the spoken intro to "Tom Thumb" is actually
Liverpool and was spliced onto the beginning of the Melbourne
give the impression it came from the same show? There are a
for believing this:
<> 1) There is an obvious splice and change of tempo, key, and sound quality
<>just before the singing starts.
<> 2) The opening instrumental intro before the splice sounds *identical*
<>to the intro to the Liverpool version used as the single B-side
<>
3) Liverpool was supposed to be one of his friendlier crowds on
<>the European tour and there seems to be some rowdy approval during the
<>spoken intro. Also, Dylan sounds very stoned and by that time in the tour
<>he was pretty much sounding that way all the time.
Subject: Re: Melbourne 66
From: Patricia Jungwirth
Date: 1995/09/19
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Les Kokay wrote a good explanation of the sources/changes to the 'Melbourne
19/20 April 1966' performances available.
For a really good sound quality I would recommend:
'Melbourne, Australia'
Wanted Man CD WMM 023
10 tracks:
1. She Belongs To Me (incomplete)
2. Fourth Time Around
3. Visions of Johanna
4. It's All Over Now Baby Blue
5. Desolation Row
6. Just Like A Woman
7. Tell Me Momma (incomplete)
8. Baby Let Me Follow You Down
9. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues
10. Like A Rolling Stone*
*Track 10 is probably from Edinburgh, May 66
The quality on this 1993 pressing is far superior to previously circulating
tapes and is thought to be from a different source. So, if you like this
show (as someone else said, the sound quality, considering the time is great
and the performance awesome) it's definitely worth looking for the CD.
The label of the CD says:
"Recorded at the Festival Hall, Melbourne, Australia, 19/20 April 1966"
It's not known which night this recording is from (I was at the show on the
19th, but the mists of time prevent me making any judgement, however the
show is far from complete. 'Mr. Tambourine Man' & 'Ballad of a Thin Man'
were performed both nights).
Tricia
Subject: Re: Melbourne 66
From: parr@utkvx.utk.edu (William C. Parr)
Date: 1995/09/20
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
In Article , Patricia Jungwirth
wrote:
>For a really good sound quality I would recommend:
>'Melbourne, Australia'
> Wanted Man CD WMM 023
> 10 tracks:
(snip)
>The quality on this 1993 pressing is far superior to previously circulating
>tapes and is thought to be from a different source. So, if you like this
>show (as someone else said, the sound quality, considering the time is great
>and the performance awesome) it's definitely worth looking for the CD.
(snip)
>Tricia
Amen, Tricia. The sound quality is excellent on this one (for 1966).
Bill Parr
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Subject: Re: Melbourne '66
From: Ben Taylor
Date: 1995/09/30
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk "Craig Jamieson" writes:
> Hmmmmm. 19th or 20th? Tambourine Fragment? Hmmmm.
>
> Post more detail, name each song, state any distinctive words
> or sounds. An 8 song tape? Mentioned in Krogsgaard? I am not
> following this at all, more detail please...
"DylanBase" claims the circulating Melbourne '66 recording is all from 19 April
1966 (and Like A Rolling Stone is from elsewhere). Dylan's spoken comments are
as follows:
Intro to Fourth Time Around: "This is called Fourth Time Around".
At start of Visions of Johanna: "This used to be called Visions Of Johanna and
now it's called Mother Revisited".
At start of Desolation Row: "What's the big idea? How come?"
At start of Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues: "This is about a painter down in
Mexico City who travels ... "
APRIL 19, 1966 FESTIVAL HALL
Length : 53:00 MELBOURNE, VICTORIA
Tour AUSTRALIA
1 She Belongs To Me Solo 2:29
2 Fourth Time Around Solo 4:56
3 Visions Of Johanna Solo 8:11
4 It's All Over Now, Baby Blue Solo 5:25
5 Desolation Row Solo 11:23
6 Just Like A Woman Solo 5:28
7 Mr. Tambourine Man Solo 0:21
-
8 Tell Me Momma 1:38
9 Baby, Let Me Follow You Down (Eric von Schmidt) 3:19
10 Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues 5:55
This help anyone?
Ben Taylor
--
Leeds, England
bptaylor@laguna.demon.co.uk
Subject: Melbourne (WMM 023, 1994, DL CD B 23123)
From: cjamieso@uoguelph.ca (Craig Jamieson)
Date: 1995/12/27
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
In the CD Boots cross-reference guide to Strangers And
Prophets Vol. 2 (1994), p. 13, Phill Townsend tells us the
Melbourne disc [T-290], "does not carry the songs in the
correct running sequence (Tell Me Momma, which should open
the electric set, is placed at the end of the tracks). Such
sloppy finishing to what is an otherwise excellent document
is very frustrating". Indeed! No one else reports this track
order on that CD. Very odd... He also believes the Edinburgh
Like A Rolling Stone (10) is from the 20 April 1966
Melbourne concert (Strangers And Prophets Vol. 2 (1994),
p. 96).
Does anyone have the track order Phill reports?
Could you e-mail me the track order of your T-290, Wanted
Man Music, WMM 023, 1993, Matrix: DL CD B 23123?
I am not expecting Tell Me Momma, which should open the
electric set, placed at the end of the tracks, as on T-236
and T-237.
I am expecting:
1. She Belongs To Me (2:52) [1]
2. Fourth Time Around (5:53) [2]
3. Visions Of Johanna [Mother Revisited, Freeze Out]
(10:40) [3]
4. It's All Over Now Baby Blue (6:26) [4]
5. Desolation Row (13:23) [5]
6. Just Like A Woman (6:08) [6]
7. Tell Me, Momma (1:47) [8]
8. Baby, Let Me Follow You Down (Eric von Schmidt [?])
(3:19) [9]
9. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (6:43) [10]
10. Like A Rolling Stone (7:26) [15]
Craig
Subject: Re: Question on '66 titles...
From: Jeff
Date: 1996/08/21
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:39:26 GMT
>From: Tracey F Jouett
>Subject: Question on '66 titles...
>
>Does anyone have any info on the content and sound quality of the following
>'66 tour titles:
>
> Before The Crash Vol. 1 1 cd
> Sings The Body Electric 2 cd set
Most of Before the Crash Vol I & 2 can be found on 2CD Sings the Body Electric
label Parrot/Red Robin. A review can be found in Deep Beneath the Waves Vol
3. Recording quality does not match "Guitars Kissing and the Contemporary Fix"
but is taken from acetates with a few crackles but otherwise excellent
quality.
Sings The Body Electric:
Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues 5/17/66
She Belongs To Me 5/17/66
Fourth Time Around 5/17/66
Visions Of Johanna 5/17/66
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue 5/17/66
Desolation Row 5/17/66
She Belongs To Me 5/26/66
Fourth Time Around 5/26/66
Visions Of Johanna 5/26/66
Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat 5/26/66
One Too Many Mornings 5/26/66
Ballad Of A Thin Man 5/26/66
She Belongs To Me 5/27/66
Fourth Time Around 5/27/66
Visions Of Johanna 5/27/66
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue 5/27/66
Desolation Row 5/27/66
Just Like A Woman 5/27/66
Mr. Tambourine Man 5/27/66
Like A Rolling Stone 5/20/66
One Too Many Mornings 5/20/66
Tell Me Momma 5/14/66
EDLIS Boot Advisory Agent
Subject: Re: Question on '66 titles...
From: joshshirk@aol.com (JoshShirk)
Date: 1996/08/25
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
'Sings The Body Electric' is a GREAT set. The sound quality is superb
(aside from a few pops from the acetate which some of it's taken from) and
the performances are uniformly excellent (maybe better than "guitars
Kissing..."). I recommend it wholeheartedly. It has been my disc of choice
on many a stoney evening.
Subject: Re: '66 Tour
From: Patricia Jungwirth
Date: 1997/04/22
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
>
>Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:27:01 +0100
>Ben Taylor
>warren@VILLAGENET.COM writes:
>>Two questions about Dylan's legendary '66 World Tour:
>>1) Is it safe to assume that most, if not all, of these concerts were
>>recorded through the soundboard (or whatever it was called back then) at
>>least by his record company, if no one else?
>
>I don't think it is safe to assume all shows were recorded. Perhaps
>someone has a list of show that were filmed and/or audio taped? Were any
>USA concerts professionally taped?
The following is a 'list' of professional or line recordings known to exist.
Presumably, if part of the show exists and circulates, the rest 'exists' (or
did exist)? Pennebaker has stated that almost all shows from Copenhagen on
were recorded by Robert Van Dyke using a Nagra mono reel-to-reel, with the
possible exception of a couple of the UK shows when they went to Cannes (he
can't remember which ones!). Columbia brought in the professional (IBC)
three-track at Sheffield, though the Nagra recordings also continued.
nb: 'Nagra' - mono recordings made for film soundtrack
'volcano tape' - 1966 compilation reel from the 'Nagra' tapes
'Gelston acetates' - Columbia acetates, auctioned in 1983
Melbourne 19/20 April
6 songs from acoustic set (from radio station recording)
3 songs from electric set (from tv recording, off-air copy)
Copenhagen 1 May
1 song from electric set (Ballad of a Thin Man) complete on video?
- it's not certain this is from Copenhagen, some place it at Belfast?
- Dwarf Music publisher's demo of 'Tell Me Mama' possibly from Copenhagen?
Dublin5 May
4 songs from acoustic set
1 song electric set (I Don't Believe You - Biograph - 'volcano' tape)
Birmingham 12 May
1 song electric set (Ballad of a Thin Man) ('volcano' tape)
Liverpool 14 May
3 songs electric set ('volcano' tape - Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues,
B-side of 'I Want You' single, 'Masterpieces')
Sheffield 16 May
2 songs electric set (Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat, One Too Many Mornings)
('volcano' tape)
Manchester 17 May
complete show, from 3-track master tape
Edinburgh 20 May
2 songs electric set (One Too Many Mornings, Like A Rolling Stone)
('Nagra' tapes, from radio broadcast)
London 26 May
3 songs acoustic set
4 songs electric set (6 songs from'Gelston' acetates;
'Like A Rolling Stone' recently bootlegged from
a separate unmarked reel)
London 27 May
7 songs acoustic set ('Gelston' acetates, 'Mr Tambourine Man' incomplete)
The following shows, at least in part, circulate from 'audience' tapes:
Stockholm, Bristol, Leicester, Edinburgh
The following songs have been officially released by Columbia/Sony:
'Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues' (Liverpool, 14 May) - B-side 'I Want You' single
- 'Masterpieces'
'I Don't Believe You' (Dublin 5 May) - 'Biograph' (wrongly attributed to 6 May)
'It's All Over Now, Baby Blue' (Manchester 17 May) - 'Biograph'
'Visions of Johanna' (London 26 May) - 'Biograph'
Corrections and comments more than welcome!
Tricia J
From: John Howells
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: '66 Tour
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:13:37 -0700
Patricia Jungwirth wrote:
>
> Dublin5 May
> 4 songs from acoustic set
Actually 6 songs, or is this in dispute?
"4th Time Around"
"Visions of Johanna"
"It's All Over Now, Baby Blue"
"Desolation Row"
"Just Like a Woman"
"Mr. Tambourine Man"
> 1 song electric set (I Don't Believe You - Biograph - 'volcano' tape)
>
Biograph says it's Belfast. Is this wrong?
--
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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:13:01 -0400
From: Bob Stacy
Subject: Re: '66 Tour
Greatly appreciated Tricia's posting the list of World Tour '66 'line
recordings'. Here's some comments:
>Copenhagen 1 May
>1 song from electric set (Ballad of a Thin Man) complete on video?
>- it's not certain this is from Copenhagen, some place it at Belfast?
The film footage in the Thin Man video appears to be from more than one
source/show. Pennebaker featured a reddish glaring lens effect in much of
his onstage shooting. Howard Alk was filming at those few shows while
Penne was briefly away from the tour (likely Bristol, Cardiff, Birmingham).
Granted, the video soundtrack does seem to be from a single performance
but which show? Not Birmingham since that Thin Man circulates and is
different from the version in the video soundtrack. The photo on the rear
cover of Telegraph #55 is identified as Copenhagen. It shows Dylan
standing at piano in front of a straight-backed wooden chair. In the
video, at the song's end, Dylan stands up from what looks to be a piano
bench (not a chair). Hard to tell if the sound and picture at that point
in the video are from the same show, but I'd say it is.
>Dublin 5 May
>4 songs from acoustic set
There's 6 songs circulating from the Dublin acoustic set.
>- Dwarf Music publisher's demo of 'Tell Me Mama' possibly from Copenhagen?
Krogsgaard in On The Tracks (#8) attributes the Dwarf Music demo to
Sheffield, 16 May. As Tricia mentioned, that was the first show recorded
on multi-track. There were technical difficulties and distortion problems
during the electric set, particularly troubles in recording Dylan's voice.
The demo indicates such a problem.
Also in OTT#8, Krogsgaard notes that Columbia's files indicate at least
four shows (Sheffield, Manchester, London 26 May, and London 27 May) as
complete, multi-track recordings - all having the same 15-song track listing.
-Bob Stacy
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:00:42 -0400
From: Bob Stacy
Subject: Re: '66 Tour
John Howells wrote and asked:
>Tricia Jungwirth wrote:
>> 1 song electric set (I Don't Believe You - Biograph - 'volcano' tape)
>
>Biograph says it's Belfast. Is this wrong?
Clinton Heylin (in Record Collector, 5/96 and in 'Day By Day') says this
was a misattribution and that the track was actually from Belfast. An
incorrectly labeled reel? Record company screw up? Another Jeff Rosen
blunder? Clinton leaves us in suspense.
In the On The Tracks article, Michael Krogsgaard says that Columbia's
(Sony's) files contain incomplete, mono recordings dubbed off the "Nagra
tapes". The recordings for Dublin and Belfast *both* list an 'I Don't
Believe You' track. He doesn't mention anything about a Biograph mix-up
for the song's recording location.
As far as I know, there's no dispute on the six circulating acoustic songs
from the Dublin show. Unless of course, someone wishes to continue
argument about why that tape is clear indication of how "Dylan was so
stoned out of his mind at Dublin that he played Visions of Johanna *before*
he played Fourth Time Around"... ;-)
-Bob Stacy
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:05:11 -0400
From: Bob Stacy
Subject: Re: '66 Tour
Need to make a CORRECTION.
Bob Stacy said:
>Clinton Heylin (in Record Collector, 5/96 and in 'Day By Day') says
>this was a misattribution and that the track was actually from Belfast.
but meant to say:
>Clinton Heylin (in Record Collector, 5/96 and in 'Day By Day') says
>this was a misattribution and that the track was actually from *Dublin*.
Floating around in confusion boats.
-Bob Stacy
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 23:43:18 +1000
From: Patricia Jungwirth
Subject: Re: '66 Tour
I'm just catching up on some older posts, a whole load of digests landed in
my mailbox today. Thanks to those who've made some corrections to the '66
recordings list I posted (knew there'd have to be some!)
so, just to clear up on this one:
>Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:00:42 -0400
>Bob Stacy
>John Howells wrote and asked:
>
>>Tricia Jungwirth wrote:
>>> 1 song electric set (I Don't Believe You - Biograph - 'volcano' tape)
>>
>>Biograph says it's Belfast. Is this wrong?
>
>Clinton Heylin (in Record Collector, 5/96 and in 'Day By Day') says this
>was a misattribution and that the track was actually from Belfast.
uh, I think Bob meant Heylin says the track was from Dublin NOT Belfast.
Though we have no idea WHY he believes that do we?
>incorrectly labeled reel? Record company screw up? Another Jeff Rosen
>blunder? Clinton leaves us in suspense.
indeedy! Any ideas?
>In the On The Tracks article, Michael Krogsgaard says that Columbia's
>(Sony's) files contain incomplete, mono recordings dubbed off the "Nagra
>tapes". The recordings for Dublin and Belfast *both* list an 'I Don't
>Believe You' track. He doesn't mention anything about a Biograph mix-up
>for the song's recording location.
Perhaps Heylin was under the impression NO Belfast tape existed? In 'Day By
Day' there are no details of the Belfast show, not even a single comment.
>As far as I know, there's no dispute on the six circulating acoustic songs
>from the Dublin show.
The error in the original list I posted (4 songs from Dublin instead of 6)
was because I failed to cross-check, apologies and thanks for the corrections.
Tricia
From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Spanish Is The Loving Tongue -- Plugged, Unplugged & Jamming, Volume 2
Date: 8 Sep 1997 09:48:53 GMT
I cannot recall anyone posting on rec.music.dylan about the album
Spanish Is The Loving Tongue -- Plugged, Unplugged & Jamming, Volume 2
The new 1966 Copenhagen tracks are new to CD, but are they really
new to circulating tape traders and film buffs?
Suspenders indeed!
Any readers attended the KB-Hallen that evening, 1 May 1966?
How do readers of rec.music.dylan judge the Ballad Of A Thin Man
to relate to Eat The Document.
What is the best list of concert/date ids for that film?
Are there any readers interested in 1966? :-)
What are opinions about this one amongst rec.music.dylan readers?
Worth buying? Easy to find where you are?
Craig
bdbdb@edlis.org
From: dave@nws.fsu.edu (David Faciane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Melbourne '66: Sound quality?
Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:18:08 GMT
Melbourne / Bob Dylan [1966]
Wanted Man Music, WMM 023 [1993]
Matrix: DL CD B23123
Festival Hall, Melbourne, Australia, 19-20 April 1966
How does this release stack up against the exalted "Guitars Kissing.."
release? Sound quality? Performance?
Thanks,
Dave
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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:02:40 +1000
From: Sam Harrison
Subject: Re: Melbourne '66: Sound quality?
>In article <19971012231301.TAA14026@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
rsweener@aol.com
>says...
>
> dave@nws.fsu.edu (David Faciane) wrote:
>
>>Melbourne / Bob Dylan [1966]
>> Wanted Man Music, WMM 023 [1993]
>...
>>How does this release stack up against the exalted "Guitars Kissing.."
>>release? Sound quality? Performance?
>
>I don't know exactly how good the sound quality of this disc
>is (I have the inferior WMM 007 cd), but I prefer this
>performance to "Guitars.."
>Yes, it's uh, unique...
>I like it so much I keep an extra copy as a spare. Please let
>me know if you come across the WMM 023.
>
>Short but oh so sweet. You can't live without it! Essential.
>Tricia
>"your loveliness has wounded me... I'm reeling from the blow... "
OK OK I'll say it.........it is better than Guitars Kissing, it is
quintessential Dylan.
What else is there???
Mark
From: Alan Fraser
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Live in UK May '66
Date: 20 Oct 1997 03:40:23 -0700
In article <62f0gv$7oc$1@neogeo.pacific.net.sg>, "Ian says...
>
>if u have guitars kissing, it is already the best non-official document of
>the manchester free trade hall, so u can basically forget bout the rest of
>the bootlegs covering this.
>
>
>buckeroo wrote in message <01bcdd1b$576c44a0$4f4a030a@default>...
>>Is this worth getting if one has Guitars Kissing...?
>>Thanks!
>
Live In UK is only part of the May 17, 1966, concert, and the quality
is nowhere near as good as GK&TCF. However, it is less edited between
songs, and you can hear more of the crowd interplay that precedes the
"Judas!" shout. Even so, the quality is not good enough for me at
least to work out what people in the crowd are actually shouting, and
I would not recommend buying it for that alone.
Alan
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:21:12 -0500
From: Bob Stacy
Subject: Spanish Is The Loving Tongue -- Plugged, Unplugged & Jamming, Vol 2
Boosters of the Cambridge Library inquired about Copenhagen and the Loving
Tongue.
We had recent opportunity to hear the 1966 tracks on Spanish Is The Loving
Tongue - Plugged, Unplugged & Jamming - Vol 2. [btw - This is a CD-R.]
All 1966 tracks are previously circulating from ETD and the Thin Man video.
Except for the Thin Man cut, all are partial songs as in (or slightly
abbreviated from) ETD. The CD's labeling is in question since the six
tracks supposedly from Copenhagen 5/1/66 do not appear in the film to be
all from the same performance location.
As an aside: The piano bench vs straightback chair controversy continues to
raise doubt that the Thin Man video is itself from Copenhagen.
One of the CD tracks (I Don't Believe You) is probably labeled correctly as
Edinburgh 5/20/66 based on previous designations by Krogsgaard and Dundas.
It is in ETD and was shown partially in the TV b'cast "Heroes of Rock and
Roll".
The sound quality of tracks from ETD is not as good as that generally
circulating on the film soundtrack. But the good news: the sound quality
of Thin Man was somewhat better on this CD than what I've heard on tape and
video of that particular Thin Man performance. One hand waving free, indeedy!
- Bob Stacy
From: howells@best.com (John Howells)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: "Leicester 66" boot
Date: 24 Nov 1997 14:29:00 -0800
dave@nws.fsu.edu (David Faciane) writes:
<Does anyone have this bootleg "Leicester 66"? I hadn't seen this one
<going around until now. Care to comment on the sound/performance quality?
<Is it soundboard or poor audience tape?
Poor audience tape.
--
John Howells
howells@bigfoot.com
http://www.punkhart.com
From: Bob Stacy
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: "Leicester 66" boot
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:18:35 -0500
David Faciane wrote:
> Does anyone have this bootleg "Leicester 66"? I hadn't seen this one
> going around until now. Care to comment on the sound/performance
> quality?
> Is it soundboard or poor audience tape?
Well, well - what have we here?
I don't have much problem with John Howells' assessement that this is a
"poor audience tape" (many tapes were from that time), but for the
record, perhaps you should know more:
Here's what the liner notes say:
-------------------------------
Bob Dylan: Leicester 66
Live At The De Montfort Hall
Leicester May 15, 1966
She Belongs To Me
Fourth Time Around
Visions Of Johanna
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Desolation Row (Colston Hall, Bristol - May 10, 1966)
Just Like A Woman (second part)
Mr Tambourine Man
Tell Me, Momma
I Don't Believe You
Baby, Let Me Follow You Down
Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (cuts)
Desolation Row
Producer's Note:
This historic recording was not known to collectors until March 1993.
This CD contains all that exists from the master tape. Our intrepid
taper's night was not without problems. During "It's All Over ..." it
is obvious he hides the microphone for 20 seconds or so. Taper's
paranoia - who spotted him? Then his batteries run out during
"Desolation Row", he gets going again during "Just Like A Woman". We
have edited in "Desolation Row" from Bristol to maintain continuity.
The Leicester "Desolation Row" is added at the end for completists. The
highlight of the recording is "Tambourine Man", the harmonica is
captured beautifully. Sadly, our taper switched off during "Tom Thumb"
- if only he knew.
------------- End liner notes --------------
Here's some of what "Strangers And Prophets" has to say:
The real charisma of this recording is contained not so much in Dylan's
performance but in the sympathy anyone who has tried to record a concert
on a portable cassette player must have for a fellow sufferer attempting
the same type of clandestine operation on a reel to reel.
S&P 3: The complete recording of the Leicester tape, though the
producers, in a misguided attempt to improve the 'continuity' of the
recording, have edited in a complete recording of Desolation Row from
Bristol adding the aborted Leicester recording on at the end. Given that
the uniqueness of the recording itself is as important as the concert
being recorded, this does slightly discolour the icing on the cake.
Amusing for its quirkiness if not for its recording quality.
----------------------------------------------
Here's what the (Leicester?) Illustrated Chronicle said afterwards:
"I was a bit bored with the first half of Dylan's show, with its
subdued, hushed quality and the church-like reverence afforded the poet.
Dylan looked slightly fed up with the whole affair and got so hung up on
one phrase during his Tambourine Man harp solo that I'm sure he was
mocking the audience. I know I laughed at it."
----------------------------------------------
If you are looking for pristine PA quality then look elsewhere. This is
not one of those. There are even much better performances from that era
captured on other audience tapes. That said, this is not the best but
certainly not the worst of audience tapes surfaced from the 1966 tour.
If you find it, your trouble alone is rewarded in that harp solo.
Cracks me up every time I hear it.
-Bob Stacy
From: BREAZEAL@ukcc.uky.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: "Leicester 66" boot
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 08:09:58 EST
In article <65ct7l$qb$1@news.fsu.edu>
dave@nws.fsu.edu (David Faciane) writes:
>
>Does anyone have this bootleg "Leicester 66"? I hadn't seen this one
>going around until now. Care to comment on the sound/performance quality?
>Is it soundboard or poor audience tape?
>
Dave,
The CD is from a "poor audience tape," I am afraid. Moreover, three of
the 11 tracks are incomplete. For anyone expecting "Guitars Kissing,"
this disc would be a great disappointment. I wouldn't trade mine,
however!
DanB
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980328231112.0069ae08@maila.wm.edu>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:11:12 -0500
From: John
Subject: 1965/1966 tapes
I've been going through a compilation of some of the rmd threads on the 1966
tour, and came across a particularly useful post from Patricia Jungwirth
from about a year ago. She states that Columbia brought in the 3-track
equiptment at Sheffield (may 16), which would account for the distortion and
assorted faults that are alleged to plague parts of that recording. I have
seen this date elsewhere, too, so Tricia would seem to be right in light of
what's currently known. Now, the liverpool show was 2 days earlier, when
presumably the mono Nagra that was being used to gather material for the Eat
The Document soundtrack was the only equiptment recording from the board.
And it's from that show that we get the glorious "Just Like Tom Thumb's
Blues" that was on the b-side of I Want You.
Now obviously the original 45 was in mono, so it could well have come from
the nagra, but one has to wonder. The Nagra recordings were Pennebaker's
property, not Columbia's and not BD's. While the Hawks reportedly felt that
this was the best performance of the tour, I find it hard to believe DA
Pennabaker would have bothered to let CBS get a copy of that show (unless
they paid handsomely). By that time, Dylan was already laid up and was in
no condition to be caling in favors from his film-maker friend on behalf of
Columbia.
But as I recall, Masterpieces has that Tom Thumb in _stereo_. Which would
indicate that it did not come from Pennebaker at all, but rather from
somewhere else. Columbia's 3 track? Sheffield is still 2 days away.
Listen to Biograph's "I Don't Believe You." Okay, it's not a great
recording (on my original Biograph. how's it on the new one?). But it sure
sounds like stereo to me. badly mixed stereo with a narrow soundstage, but
some things are clearly not dead center, which would be indicative of a
proper mono recording. the bass is quite "left", drums are slightly "left",
harp is "rightish", and the organ seems to pan. (this should sound
familiar--it's similar to the Manchester mix that we get on Guitars Kissing,
just badly compressed) And sadly Bob is somewhat lost in the middle,
sounding very thin (like center channel info on the early 50's stereo
recordings). Recording the file as a stereo wav at 44.1 KHz shows that the
signals, while fairly similar, have enough slight differences that they are
not the same. listening to one channel at a time reveals about the same
thing. I know stuff shifts when it gets dubbed, but it would presumably all
go together, which does not seem to be the case ehre. Sp either this is
from an ineptly done stereo soundboard recording, or it's the nagra
recording all gussied up to look like stereo through reverb and echo. And
even Columbia isn't that crass. (I hope, probably vainly)
Now if Columbia is to be believed, IDBY comes from Belfast (may 6), a show
from which nothing else circulates (to my knowledge). Those who would know,
however, insist it's from Dublin (May 5), an assertion I cannot argue with,
having heard nothing from Dublin's electric set. I have, however, heard
some of the Nagra recordings from Birmingham and Liverpool. They are
nothing like the Biograph song. They sound far better, and they sound like
what they presumably are--professionally done mono recordings.
And then there's that other curious thing on Biograph. Baby Blue, from
Manchester. I still find it hard to believe that it's the same song as on
Guitars Kissing, but the vocals would indicate that such is the case. Yet
it's a comparitively atrocious recording. Drenched in echo, perhaps to hide
it's thin sound, it sounds almost like an audience tape recorded in a
particualrly bad acoustic location with lots of reflections. The sharper
guitar sounds are also distorted. And although one could say comparing
acoustic to electric songs is comparing apples to organges, it sounds
suspiciously similar to IDBY (ie. far worse that what Pennebaker was doing,
and certainly nothing like the glorious sound on Guitars Kissing), although
IDBY is nowhere near as terrible. Is there perhaps a third board source?
A member of Dylan's entourage who he asked to record the shows for him (for
BD's personal archives)? Recall the accounts of Dylan _playing back tapes
of shows for people_, and asking them what they thought about them (he was
doing the same thing with BOB material). Witness also his concern for sound
quality. he couldn't have cared less that the girl didn't like his music
anymore. he wanted to know how she thought the show sounded. very
suspicious behavior for Dylan-the-technophobe.
But there is one way in which that sorry original biograph Baby Blue beats
the pants off the one that's on GKATCF. It has the ambience. It has what
Dylan has reportedly found to be lacking on the nicer Manchester recording
that is (hopefully) to eventually become Bootleg Series Volume 4. Perhaps
this is because he has his own version of the tape (his own version of what
happened that night), which is neither a dub of Pennebaker's mono reels nor
of the excellent Columbia 3 tracks. and it is that tape that has reshaped
his memeory of events to the point that he cannot fathom listening to the
tape with the crowd mixed out.
the shows worked simply because Dylan fed off of the audience. witness the
9-minute LARS from the second london show. Enthusuastic clapping combined
with the relief that the tour was at alst over (for a few months), resulting
in a three minute long coda. if Dylan was getting up and just doing his bit
and not giving a rat's ass about that the audience thought, then why does he
do his little comic routine in Melbourne? That "folk music guitar" gag is
as premeditated as the "Good Evening Ladies And Gentelemen..." that opens
concerts to day. that is to say, it's not some spur of the moment idea. he
knew damned well how he had to do things to make the shows work out, and he
did it. if they were uptight, he joked with them, if they were angry, he
egged them on, and if they were rude, he was rude right back.
If you've read this far, you know i'm already pretty far out on a limb.
Well, pardon me while i scoot out some more. :-) Recall last spring,
someone posted a sippet of an interview with (insert name of semi-popular
musician) who had visited Bob at his home. He mentioned looking in the
closet of one of the rooms and finding boxes of tapes, one of which was the
soundboard for the 8/28/65 show. That's Forest Hills for those who aren't
good with numbers. The first show of what would become the world tour.
Now that in itself isn't all that shocking, since it was the first real
concert Dylan gave backed with a band. Newport (from which we also have a
soundboard) was half kiss-off and half prelude. And not much of a real
show. Besides, you can see that if was a big media event--Bob posing for
the photographers and all. But if a Forest Hills board tape isn't all that
unremarkable, how about the Carnegie Hall tape from october 1, 1965. That
uncirculating tape, rumored to be in the hands of one collector (lucky
bastard), is said to be a soundboard. If it is, then one has to wonder why
it exists at all. It was hardly Dylan's first Carnegie Hall concert--that
was over 2 years before. scratch sentimental reasons. Pennebaker?--he
didn't join Bob until May 1966. Columbia?--possibly, but why? perhaps the
show or the recording thereof was not very good, or at least unfit for
release, hence the recordings at the very end. If not them, then who? Is
the Bobster sitting on boxes of tapes from every one of (or many of) the
stops on the 1965/1966 tour? I sure want to think so. Is he taking proper
care of them? will we ever get to hear them? "fat chance" on both, i suspect.
Dino
"Seen a shooting star tonight, across the flatland roads
I was a thousand miles away from where the end of time explodes
I was looking up and wonderin', if the dawn was breakin' through
I seen a shooting star tonight, and I thought of you"
-Bob Dylan "Shooting Star" (early version)
Bob Dylan, Janis Joplin, and Sippie Wallace at:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/3948/
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From: Bob Stacy
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: 1965/1966 tapes
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:35:00 -0500
Message-ID: <351DB353.3737884B@usit.net>
John (Dino?) wrote:
>>>>states that Columbia brought in the 3-track
equiptment at Sheffield (may 16), which would account for the distortion
and
assorted faults that are alleged to plague parts of that recording.<<<<
That's pretty much in agreement with Krogsgaard's 1996 article in On The
Tracks where he notes that the publisher's demo of Tell Me Mama (with
its technical difficulties) is from Sheffield.
>>>> Now, the liverpool show was 2 days earlier, .....
And it's from that show that we get the glorious "Just Like Tom Thumb's
Blues" that was on the b-side of I Want You. .....
Now obviously the original 45 was in mono, so it could well have come
from
the nagra, but one has to wonder. The Nagra recordings were
Pennebaker's
property, not Columbia's and not BD's. While the Hawks reportedly felt
that
this was the best performance of the tour, I find it hard to believe DA
Pennabaker would have bothered to let CBS get a copy of that show
(unless
they paid handsomely). By that time, Dylan was already laid up and was
in
no condition to be caling in favors from his film-maker friend on behalf
of
Columbia. <<<<
I'm not aware of the particulars of agreement between Pennebaker and
Columbia. Perhaps those in the know will someday tell us. Actually,
the Liverpool "Tom Thumb" single was released (in the States) in June
'66, quite sometime in advance of Dylan's motorcycle nightmare.
>>>>If you've read this far, you know i'm already pretty far out on a
limb.
Well, pardon me while i scoot out some more. :-) <<<<
Aw, go ahead. That's a popular pre-occupation around here. At least
you were brave enough to carry along your own axe. ;-) Enjoyed your
article.
-Bob Stacy
From: Bob Stacy
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: '66 Shows?
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:45:22 -0400
Message-ID: <35AD6941.D181DD96@usit.net>
Joe Cox wrote:
> Could some tape and bootleg knowledgeable person please tell me
> what all circulates from the '66 tour. I've heard 5/17 in
> Manchester and 5/10 in Bristol, but what else is available from
> this era? Any other complete shows?
True knowledgeability is sort of hard to come by these days. Claimed
knowledgeability pops up like the broadleaf weeds in my backyard.
Anyway, here's a rundown that was posted (from the UK?) about 2 years
ago:--------------------------------------------------------------------
1966 circulating tapes, as far as I can tell from DylanBase:
5 Feb 66 White Plains, NY (acoustic set, first two electric, 57min)
6 Feb 66 Pittsburgh (some of acoustic set, plus two electric, 29min)
26 Feb 66 Hempstead, NY (acoustic, plus most of electric, 68min)
29 Mar 66 Vancouver (is this circulating?)
19 Apr 66 Melbourne (acoustic, plus some electric, 53min)
29 Apr 66 Stockholm (acoustic, electric, recording fragmentary, 45min)
5 May 66 Dublin (most acoustic, 42min)
6 May 66 Belfast (one electric song, on Biograph)
10 May 66 Bristol (whole show, 85min)
12 May 66 Birmingham (Ballad of a Thin Man only, PA source)
14 May 66 Liverpool (four electric songs, PA source, 24min)
15 May 66 Leicester (acoustic, most of electric, 65min)
16 May 66 Sheffield (two electric, PA source, 7min. Don't Think Twice
reported as having been played - eh?)
17 May 66 Manchester (aka Royal Albert Hall, full concert 90min,
although some of us are still skeptical!)
20 May 66 Edinburgh (full show, 108min)
21 May 66 Newcastle (Tell Me Mama only, 4min)
26 May 66 Royal Albert Hall, London (60min? Some newly circulating?)
27 May 66 Royal Albert Hall, London (60min? Some newly circulating?)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The list above is usually good for measured verbage & plenty of
skeptical opinion. As I recall from the last time, I offered a few
comments/corrections; somebody else countered a rebuttal; and then
.....it really got interesting.
But let's see -- I still don't pick out the Ballad Of A Thin Man (video
source from unidentified Europe) on the list. Nor are the two PA tracks
from Edinburgh specifically mentioned. Since the last round, we do have
Like A Rolling Stone from (26 May as per Heylin) or is it actually from
27 May? Krogsgaard seems sure that the 21 May track (or whenever) is
really 16 May. Heylin is equally convinced that the 6 May Biograph
track is really 5 May.
Regardless of who said what on stage or off, can we all (or can most of
us?) agree that 17 May is indeed 17 May? ;-)
Has anybody ever really heard the elusive 29 Mar Vancouver tape?
I'm sure I've forgotten or left off something. Comments/corrections are
gratefully accepted. Free drinks offered to the first who produces a
Don't Think Twice from 16 May (or from anytime during 1966).
-Bob Stacy
From: Alan Fraser
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: '66 Shows?
Date: 16 Jul 1998 02:04:44 -0700
Message-ID: <6okfnc$hgo@drn.newsguy.com>
In article <35AD6941.D181DD96@usit.net>, Bob says...
>17 May 66 Manchester (aka Royal Albert Hall, full concert 90min,
> although some of us are still skeptical!)
Please amplify - exactly what part of "Judas!" are you sceptical about?
I agree no-one's yet come up with the precise seat number in the Free
Trade Hall the guy was sitting in.
The compilation Spanish Is The Loving Tongue has snippets of songs from
Copenhagen, 1 May 66. These are described as coming from "Eat The
Document" footage.
Alan
From: Bob Stacy
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: '66 Shows?
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:41:24 -0400
Message-ID: <35ADE6E3.B83B070A@usit.net>
Alan Fraser wrote:
In article <35AD6941.D181DD96@usit.net>, Bob says...
>>17 May 66 Manchester (aka Royal Albert Hall, full concert 90min,
>> although some of us are still skeptical!)
>
>Please amplify - exactly what part of "Judas!" are you sceptical
>about? I agree no-one's yet come up with the precise seat number
>in the Free Trade Hall the guy was sitting in.
Actually, not skeptical in the least. That was DylanBase speaking (or
likely, the original poster's remarks) and that was from two years ago.
I have a feeling those remarks were made rather tongue in cheek.
>The compilation Spanish Is The Loving Tongue has snippets of
>songs from Copenhagen, 1 May 66. These are described as
>coming from "Eat The Document" footage.
Yes, I've heard those CD snippets and compared them with the film
soundtrack. They *are* from the soundtrack, but positive
identifications are difficult. Unless Dylan made multiple clothing
changes during the Copenhagen show, they didn't all come from there.
The soundtrack for the Thin Man video is also on the same compilation
CD. On the video, I believe Dylan ends the song and gets up from a
piano bench. On the rear cover of Telegraph #55, Dylan is pictured on
stage standing in front of a chair while at the piano. John Bauldie
attributed that photo to Copenhagen. To my thinking, the source for the
Thin Man video track is probably *not* 1 May 66.
-Bob Stacy
From: jcmart@maila.wm.edu (John)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: 1966 Concerts
Date: 18 Oct 1998 13:41:16 -0700
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981018203955.0071de58@maila.wm.edu>
[posted and mailed]
> Hello everyone-
> I just bought the LIVE 1966 album and I aboslutley love it.
> I was wondering if anyone else has any shows from this tour at all that would
> be interested in trading or selling
>
> thanks
>
> -Mike
Mike,
several days ago, someone asked about the acoustic sets from the '66 tour.
I provided a complete list of circulating acoustic sets from the tour. I
forgot about one show, and apparently another has come into circulation
since I was last on a '66 kick, so I've added those in where they belong.
Since i was doing that, i added in shows that survive only as fragments from
the electric sets (and which were naturally ecluded from an acoustic
listing). I also corrected some errors that have been brought to my
attention since that first post.
While i do have many of these recordings, i'm too swamped with work to take
on any new trades right now, and suggest that you check out the Free Tape
Library if you want copies of these recordings. the URL is
http://freelib.org/dylan/list_69.html
hopefully this will prove useful in selecting performances to seek out. Your
main concern should proabably be sound quality. While some shows were
better than others, there are no lemons in the bunch, performance-wise. Eat
The Document is also well worth finding.
2/05/66 White Plains, NY
the first available recording from the '66 tour. a terrible sounding
audience tape that includes the entire acoustic set and part of the
electric. I can't
comment on the performance as i've only endured the tape twice.
2/06/66 Pittsburg, PA
a pretty damned good audience tape (for the period) of the whole
acoustic set and part of the electric set. an excellent performance.
2/26/66 Hempstead, NY
If you thought White Plains was rough, you ain't heard nothin' yet. An
atrocious recording of what sounds like a pretty good performance.
those who took the time to wade thru this one more than once or twice
have said it's one of the best shows of '66. complete acoustic set,
most of the electric set.
4/19/66 (or 4/20) Melbourne, Australia
Al but Tamb Man from the acoustic set circulates in very good quality,
portions of the electric set survive as well. the highly unusual Tell Me
Mama is sadly just a tantalizing fragment. Fourth Time Around is probably
the best surviving one from the tour, and Dylan's "folk music guitar" joke
from before Johanna is a classic.
4/29/66 Stockholm, Sweden
apparently a terible-sounding, incomplete audience tape of She Belongs thru
Desolation and IDBY thru Thin Man. performance is said to be excellent.
Olof reports that the taper had a Beatles show on the other side of the
tape, and so he had to fit what he could on one side of a reel. Thus the
songs are usually little more than fragments.
5/1/66 Copenhagen, Denmark
Tell Me Mama and Thin Man. Mama was used as the Dwarf Music demo. Thin Man
may or may not be from this show--it comes from Eat The Document leftovers,
and the main problem is that Bob is seen sitting on something that doesn't
match the still photos from Copenhagen.
5/5/66 Dublin, Ireland
all the acoustic set except She Belongs To Me circulates in very good
quality from a PA tape. An engaging performance, though Dylan is
heavily under the influence of certain chemicals. The most strung out
Johanna i've ever heard. set order on tapes has johanna preceding 4th
time, which i doubt was the case that night, though there's no evidence
to support that claim.
5/6/66 Belfast, Northern Ireland
I Don't Believe You appears on Biograph. Many who are more knowledgable
than I believe this track to be from the previous night in Dublin
5/10/66 Bristol, England
i have a poor copy of an average audience recording of both acoustic and
electric sets (a complete show!). A fine performance (my favorite Baby Blue
from the tour), though the sound detracts significantly from one's
ability to enjoy it.
5/12/66 Birmingham, England
Ballad Of A Thin Man only, from a PA source
5/14/66 Liverpool, England
first 3 songs of the electric set circulate as a PA tape (from Pennebaker's
Nagra reels, apparently), plus the "Tom Thumb" that was released as the
B-side of the "I Want You" 45 in 1966. apparently my previous claim of a
complete audinece tape was based on erroneous information. my source seems
to have confused Bristol with Liverpool.
5/15/66 Leicester, England
this one surfaced fairly recently. supposedly an average audience
recording. Baby Blue has some irritating snags, Desolation is clipped,
and the first half of JLAW is missing. everything from the acoustic set
is there, to varying degrees of completeness. Electric set ends abruptly
midway thru Tom Thumb.
5/16/66 Sheffield, England
Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat and One Too Many Mornings from a mono PA recording.
Supposedly this was the first night Columbia tried the 3-track recorders.
5/17/66 Manchester. you should know this one already. Complete PA
recordings of both sets. Columbia three track is incomplete for portions of
Johana and Desolation row. Nagra is apparently completely complete. :-)
Portion of soundcheck (the first verse of Tom Thumb) circulates, but was not
included on the official release.
5/20/66 Edinburgh, Scotland
said to be a relatively decent audience recording of the entire concert.
LARS and One Too Many Mornings are available as a PA recording.
5/26/66 London, England
good PA tape of the She Belongs, 4th time, and Johanna. Johanna appears
on Biograph, and with good reason--it's excellent.
5/27/66 London, England
complete, very good quality PA tape of acoustic set only. Tamb Man is
clipped.
I hope this proves useful. I also hope there are no more errors lurking in
this one (i'm already on the third time around :-) )
regards,
Dino
"And though the situation still hurts me to the bone
She's better off with someone else, and I'm better off alone"
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